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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On December 21 2010 01:54 nariga wrote: Do you have any thoughts on this "unbeatable Speedray PvZ?" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174903 When did I say it's unbeatable? | ||
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nariga
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10345 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:07 freestalker wrote: tbh, every reasonable person doesn't give a shit about such info. So you're confident taking advice from Silver players? Thanks for the guide OP -- lots of solid info here. ZvP is so dynamic now what with the skytoss trends. Loving it. | ||
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1Lamb1Rice
United States435 Posts
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Xanczor
United States254 Posts
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tainted muffin
United States158 Posts
On December 21 2010 01:54 nariga wrote: Do you have any thoughts on this "unbeatable Speedray PvZ?" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174903 use infesters to fungal growth and then out range them with mass queen but they are patching it so it doesnt really matter | ||
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Jtn
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MasterJack
Canada215 Posts
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
On December 21 2010 01:54 nariga wrote: Do you have any thoughts on this "unbeatable Speedray PvZ?" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174903 The first thing you need to do is notice that he is doing the build. When combining an expansion with Stargate tech they will have less units that normally and thus you won't really be able to do much pushing (which allows you to Drone and tech hard), they will also be more inclined to get Cannons and perhaps most importantly they will get their Assimilators much earlier in their natural. With a normal Warpgate/Robo based build they normally delay their Assimilators for a while. I don't know exactly when you normally take them but I don't think it's before 10 minutes, on the other hand the Void Ray/Colossi build requires you to take them right of the bat when the Nexus completes. So sacrifice Zerglings into his natural to keep tabs on his army count and his Assimilator timing do learn that he's up to some tech heavy build. Now, when you know he's going to be teching rather than pushing, get a Spire right away and also try to scout what tech he's getting with an Overseer. If it's Stargate, get +1 Air Attack and an Infestation Pit and Mutalisks and expand as much as you possibly can. Get ~2 Infestors, if he goes out to harass you'll Fungal his army and smash it. When you have Infestors he pretty much cannot leave his base with an air based army so he will turtle and throw everything on one limit fight. Here's some pointers for winning the last battle:
Here's a replay against ZeeRaX, he's a 3.1k Diamond Protoss from an S-class division and has been using that playstyle since September, at least, and I think he's the original inventor of the playstyle. So he should be pretty good with it. Some notes though, I upgraded my ground units too so that I would be able to remake a Hydralisk army should I lose my air one. I don't think that is necessary though and will probably only slow you down. Also, I think high level Protosses are blind countering the Roach opening too heavily nowadays so I've started opening Muta/Ling on all maps which means I was prepared for this tech path right from the start. | ||
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nariga
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nariga
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
On December 23 2010 09:57 nariga wrote: In the chartflow thing, you said that if I see a 4gate or robo, I should get +1 atk, do you mean +1 range atk or +1 melee atk or both? Also, if P gets +1 ground attack, then I think it should be worth mentioning to get armor upgrade so zealots will still take 3 hits to kill a zergling instead of 2. The flowchart is wrong on the upgrades. I forgot to update it with the latest revision. You won't be making Zerglings with this playstyle, so that breakpoint is not important. And you obviously won't be upgrading Zergling attack either. | ||
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nariga
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metalsonic
Netherlands95 Posts
There are everywhere Terran and Zerg guides ( as if terran need's guides for MMM with vikings and ghosts lol ) . Though I wonder if there is any good Protoss guide that describes the safest protoss build order . | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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headies
United States63 Posts
On December 23 2010 10:27 metalsonic wrote: Why aren't there any guides telling how Protoss should play macro ...... There are everywhere Terran and Zerg guides ( as if terran need's guides for MMM with vikings and ghosts lol ) . Though I wonder if there is any good Protoss guide that describes the safest protoss build order . Yeah, this! Plexa's guide is the closest thing, but it is kind of showing its age now. I haven't seen any flowcharts like this for P, however. To the OP: Well done! | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
 Why don't you love mutaliing? | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
I noticed that JulyZerg opens in the exact same way, speed, then drones off gas and taking the natural at 21 supply. Is there any time when you basically would suggest putting the drones back on gas? Like when expansion half way done or something like that? I know it depends on the situation, but I often feel rather clueless when to put them back on gas.. | ||
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pampelmus
Switzerland215 Posts
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