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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 18 2010 15:02 GMT
#41
They're not Jaedong. And Idra is the type of player who really plays it safe way too much compared to top Korean zergs from both BW and SC2.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
October 18 2010 15:10 GMT
#42
A Zerg intruding into a Terran base usually doesn't have comprehensive knowledge of Terran positions, so even if he spots what appears to be an isolated defense, that may not be the case. If his Mutalisks stack whence attacking a turret, he may be met by a Thor's barrage or similar untoward happenings.

I feel like Mutalisk aggression in BW was much more persistent simply because no viable splash mechanisms could ambush the stack during its 1-3 swoops required to kill a defensive structure.
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sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
October 18 2010 16:19 GMT
#43
You have to magic box the turret or risk getting 3 shot by some thor halfway across the base you would never have been able to see, and if you magic box a turret that turret is going to get swarmed by SCV's and you won't be able to kill it fast enough.

Over agressive zerg will find their flappy mutas dead dead dead against a conservative terran player.
hoovehand
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom542 Posts
October 18 2010 16:27 GMT
#44
you need a reason to destroy a turret...

if you don't fly over the turret then it's 100% useless and there's no point in wasting time.
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
October 18 2010 16:28 GMT
#45
I am not sure if any1 suggested one of the most imposrtant reasons. If you focus down a turret, and you get shot by 2 thors (only once), ALL your mutas will end up orange/red.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 18 2010 16:33 GMT
#46
a turret that does not kill any mutas is wasted resources, especially if you can do damage in spite of them
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greycubed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 16:39:18
October 18 2010 16:33 GMT
#47
On October 18 2010 08:00 iEchoic wrote:
I agree with you, and I've been saying this for a while. Zerg players have an irrational fear of anything that shoots air. I've played against high-level zerg players who will run 9 mutas from one lone, misplaced thor. As you said, they do the same with turrets.
Thors can be repaired too, and although 4 mutas with micro can kill an unrepaired thor, to be cost effective you need quite a few more. Each muta is 100 gas, which is invaluable to a Zerg. It's really easy to lose a fuckton of gas really fast with mutas. They're pretty fragile so it's understandable to be really protective of them.

Also with the crazy thor range, you'll lose a muta or two during a retreat so you have to be sure that you can take the thor down. The thor can be hitting you long before you can see what's around it. So yeah usually if thor hits your muta you just run.
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PegLegPete
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5 Posts
October 18 2010 16:35 GMT
#48
It's all about minimizing damage received while maximizing damage dealt.

There are always holes/weaknesses in the anti-air coverage of a base, so why intentionally take damage when you can keep poking around to find another hole that is less defended and will allow damage to be dealt.

As day9 would say, go for guaranteed small damage with a low risk of defense, instead of the big damage with a high risk of defense.

Taking out a few tech labs, reactors, or supply depots is an equally successful attack as killing a handful of workers, and if you didn't have one of your mutas damaged in the process, that's even sexier. Some players get very caught up in the idea that every harass should be on the harvesters -- don't forget the rest of the base is just as good of a target.
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KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
October 18 2010 16:58 GMT
#49
Once his muta count rises, turrets quickly becomes much less effective. Up untill 15+ mutas on two bases, turrets handle it fine. From there you need a stationed thor at each expo + lots of turrets.
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goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
October 18 2010 17:08 GMT
#50
The problem is that a lot of zerg players never played sc1 and have never seen jaedong micro mutas. Without that image burned into your skull, muta micro will never make sense.
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