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Deathfate
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain555 Posts
October 11 2010 02:07 GMT
#21
I recommend to open always speedling baneling and use your first 2 lings to scout his opening, your oponent choices:

If you see him going roaches, make some drones and then keep the roach count as high as him, you should have speedlings to keep tracks of his roach numbers, the idea is to get an early drone advantage and then use your ramp to hold the few extra roaches he could have.

If he goes ling baneling you should place a spine crawler and make baneling drones, use 2 banelings to kill his baneling balls and, a few lings to stop his baneling picking lings, you will need good micro. In maps you cant do this you must do the same but have way more lings and make some drones from time to time.

I always recommend going roach hydra infestor, i think its better than muta but thats only my opinion, with +1 range attack your roaches can kill his lings in two hits and you can use fungal to kill every ling bane muta, the trick here is to not make a lot of defenses early, 5 hydras and 3 queens can handle mutas quite well, pump a lot of drones and make sure to have around 3 spores per base once you leave your base.

Once you engage you will need about 5 infestors, use 1 fungal to deny his mutas, if he swithced to roach hydra too you should have a lot of hydras and only a bunch of roaches to tank, fungal his roaches and abuse the range of hydra to have free hits.
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Dice17
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
October 11 2010 02:20 GMT
#22
Yes Im thinking about trying so many openings in zvz. I am a fan of roach hydra alot in zvz instead of muta but I have seen a very interesting build done against me in ladder. He fast expands at 22 ,rushes roaches, gets early surplus of gas for muta later, and eventually goes muta roach and I was even with him on bases and got expo about same time. He could of raped me with just his roaches and I had no idea of what I could of done
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 11 2010 08:58 GMT
#23
you might want to read this, i wrote it recently

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159648
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shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
October 11 2010 10:02 GMT
#24
Just recently played ZvZ where the opponent opened with fast roaches. As soon as I scouted ít I went All-in zlings (happend to be 13 pool for me) and a bit later slings. The guy didnt even had a chance.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 10:10:08
October 11 2010 10:08 GMT
#25
I normally do mass Roach into a timing push before mutas / natural into expand and Infestor-Roach-Hydra. Works decently.

BTW Roaches really don't give a shit about spine crawlers, you can have like 5 at your natural and I'll just walk to your main npnp

On October 11 2010 19:02 shadowy wrote:
Just recently played ZvZ where the opponent opened with fast roaches. As soon as I scouted ít I went All-in zlings (happend to be 13 pool for me) and a bit later slings. The guy didnt even had a chance.

Did he push with like 15+ Roaches and a few banelings? If not, well of course it'd work.
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Amadi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland139 Posts
October 11 2010 10:34 GMT
#26
I am some diamond zerg with 1100 or so. Imo, Roach Queen.

No, really. In ZvZ, your opponent's base will always be covered in creep, so if you can get queens there, they are actually exceedingly cost effective combat units. And just as good on the defense. The issue is that they cannot make fast attacks, but I think their other merits largely outpower this single negative aspect.

Remember that whatever you do, though, you're going to want Infestors. Infestors are ridiculously good in ZvZ.
Dice17
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
October 11 2010 23:51 GMT
#27
On October 11 2010 19:34 Amadi wrote:
I am some diamond zerg with 1100 or so. Imo, Roach Queen.

No, really. In ZvZ, your opponent's base will always be covered in creep, so if you can get queens there, they are actually exceedingly cost effective combat units. And just as good on the defense. The issue is that they cannot make fast attacks, but I think their other merits largely outpower this single negative aspect.

Remember that whatever you do, though, you're going to want Infestors. Infestors are ridiculously good in ZvZ.

Yeah I have seen many queen builds work before in zvz i just questioned it A LOT
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