EPT[G] 6 Barracks: all-in vs. all races - Page 10
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Turenne
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Happystreet
550 Posts
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Turenne
331 Posts
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VapouR.
United Kingdom14 Posts
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Turenne
331 Posts
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XDJuicebox
United States593 Posts
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ReasoN-
Germany145 Posts
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brobear
United States101 Posts
Once their siege is up and running, it's game. This build is strongest against zergs that play the standard 15 hatch. Catch them offguard, and they're screwed, even with 2-3 sunkens up. (mix a few scv in with your 15 marines, while rallying to their base). Works great in masters. | ||
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Happystreet
550 Posts
On April 17 2011 15:52 brobear wrote: This isn't too viable against Terran... They WILL scout it, and will put down 2-3 bunkers. Once their siege is up and running, it's game. This build is strongest against zergs that play the standard 15 hatch. Catch them offguard, and they're screwed, even with 2-3 sunkens up. (mix a few scv in with your 15 marines, while rallying to their base). Works great in masters. Why will they scout? You can place the rax in a way that scans won't hit em. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On April 17 2011 19:35 Happystreet wrote: Why will they scout? You can place the rax in a way that scans won't hit em. yup, but if scan doesn't hit anything it will be extra suspicious and your opponent will build bunker straight away. marines without stim are just really bad against wall off + bunker so it's just instant loss. | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On April 17 2011 19:51 3xiLe wrote: Putting your marines at the naturals choke would be a great way to intercept an scv (as he'll most likely check to see if you're getting an expo up no gas) and implying that you're going for a fast gasless no expo. He will do one of two things: try punish: Punishing Timing Pushes will proably be intended to strike right after this all in hits, so no that should not work. Expand: gg if he does neither and techs obliviously and doesnt react, you should be in an even better position than against punishments, but slightly worse against expanding. common sense i guess >.> Problem is that you can't really be sure that he's gonna think that you're going for fast expo. It may be a case on big maps but on those maps this push is late and isn't that viable. On small maps terran won't really be thinking that you're crazy enough to go fast expo. Second thing is, scan is huge, it covers most of the main base. If your opponent scans and sees no cc building in your main I seriously doubt he will think that you're building it in your nat instead of floating it there. Terran players know what kind of cheeses other terrans can make and therefor they can stop this easily. Repairing bunker > marines. Even pulling some scvs while producing anything > marines. This is viable TvZ counter 15 hatch build. In TvT repairing bunker ownz this. In TvP forcefields own this. Protoss will hold his ramp till the end of the world while having much stronger economy and tech. | ||
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Cramsy
Australia1100 Posts
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brobear
United States101 Posts
On April 17 2011 19:35 Happystreet wrote: Why will they scout? You can place the rax in a way that scans won't hit em. I've found that in most maps, hiding 6 rax vs scan and scout scv is super hard... And once he sees no gas he'll probably react with bunkers after scouting no CC building. | ||
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
 vs  redwingxviii vs Michael ![[image loading]](http://www.topreplays.com/img/layout/download.png) vs  RomanToss vs Michael I feel like I'm floating mad minerals or that my barracks timings are just awful. Do you have any tips on how I might better manage my macro in these opening minutes? | ||
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YakiSOBA
30 Posts
Losses were mainly due to: Zerg seeing no gas and dropping a baneling nest. Zerg just blindly dropping a baneling nest and me getting owned by it. Terran with 1 (ONE) seige tank. Toss with FF. Question about zergs that go banelings... is it worth it to keep massing marines and keeping the pressure up? I don't know zerg mechanics, are banelings expensive, or can I out-mass him with marines eventually? Because after the first initial wave hits, I only have a stream of ~6 marines after each production wave... so I thought of adding more barracks, scvs, and depots but wasn't sure if I would ever eventually overwhelm the zerg. | ||
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waffleburger
United States15 Posts
On April 19 2011 23:07 YakiSOBA wrote: I tried to run this strat blind in 10 straight diamond games. Won 4 lost 6... Losses were mainly due to: Zerg seeing no gas and dropping a baneling nest. Zerg just blindly dropping a baneling nest and me getting owned by it. Terran with 1 (ONE) seige tank. Toss with FF. Question about zergs that go banelings... is it worth it to keep massing marines and keeping the pressure up? I don't know zerg mechanics, are banelings expensive, or can I out-mass him with marines eventually? Because after the first initial wave hits, I only have a stream of ~6 marines after each production wave... so I thought of adding more barracks, scvs, and depots but wasn't sure if I would ever eventually overwhelm the zerg. I dont understand what kind of zerg drops a baneling nest when he sees no gas. Pretty much everyone does hatch first, and that first 100 gas IS going to ling speed, but 2rax hits way before that; thats the thing, when we scout no gas, we think "2rax", not this BS. I usually save larvae for one spine and 6 lings + more if necessary, and dont even PUT guys on gas until I have held off the 2rax. I think you're just losing to 11/13pool banelings or something. which is an extremely all-in way to play, unless you are seriously messing up your timings on this. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
I dont understand what kind of zerg drops a baneling nest when he sees no gas. Pretty much everyone does hatch first, and that first 100 gas IS going to ling speed, but 2rax hits way before that; thats the thing, when we scout no gas, we think "2rax", not this BS. I usually save larvae for one spine and 6 lings + more if necessary, and dont even PUT guys on gas until I have held off the 2rax. I think you're just losing to 11/13pool banelings or something. which is an extremely all-in way to play, unless you are seriously messing up your timings on this. If you see no gas -> you think 2rax -> minute without attack -> you think it's this BS and drop bnest Timing for this is about 6th minute mark, you can drop baneling nest, tons of lings, spine crawlers, whatever. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:43 Turenne wrote: Is this viable in TvT? I despise this mu and badly want some kind of decent one-base all in so I don't get bogged down in a two hour long tank/viking war. I tried it today but one good scan and it seems gg. spread out your Barracks then You can also Proxy some of the Barracks too | ||
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eXeRicH
Germany89 Posts
You smell what I'm cooking! Since you save up 750 Minerals anyways, you could just show him that expo. Make sure not to kill the scout or force it to completely retreat before it sees the CC. After he scouted FE you just chase it away, cancel the expo right away and get your rax started. You might even pretend to build a delayed raffinery and also cancel it when the scout is forced to leave your main towards your natural. Dunno if this will really work (but im sure it will, at least in Plat and maybe lower Dia) and how much it weakens the push but you lull them into a false sense of security so they wont expect any early agression at all. | ||
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