EPT[G] 6 Barracks: all-in vs. all races - Page 8
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
In TvP, I suggest you instead do 1 Rax Marauder (w/conc) and then add a pile of raxes (+3-4) for marines. That way you can apply a little earlier pressure to keep the opponent honest, prevent Stalkers from eating away at your forces, etc. Also, I think it's smarter and more stable to cut one rax and instead keep pumping SCVs. You can bring them with your push, and have the possibility of pulling back and continuing to play if you don't break the opponent. (Plus, SCVs can rush around things and block retreat paths, as well as screw with the opposing AI if you don't put them in attack mode.) Note that there are two-base versions of mass marine builds, although you generally want at least Stim for that. | ||
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
Not if you wall off. | ||
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dave333
United States915 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13425 Posts
Did TLO get his idea from this random thread or did he similarly think up a mad mad mad out there build that just worked? | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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VoodooTissue
Australia15 Posts
Seriously though, this is probably going to throw a lot of bronze-league terrans up ranks. Really easy to execute, harder for your opponent to defend than it is for you to pull off - all the makings of a great, blue-vein cheese-all in. I do have a question in regards to fending it off as protoss - is it better to mass stalkers and sentries or sentries and zealots to fight this kind of mass marine play off? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that people who do this will probably hit well before the first colossus is out, so that's probably not an option. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
I feign 2 rax all in, let him kill2 scvs and 3 marines (try to build bunker). and drop 4 rax in your base as you push out. He will kill your marines and 2 scvs, think hes safe to drone, and then you push 2 mins later with a shitload of marines, he will have like 10 speedlings or a few roaches and thats it. Otherwise if you just go straight 6 rax, he will wonder why you havent pressured and often be ready with a scouting overlord. But either way it tends to work better against zerg than protoss. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On April 13 2011 14:56 VoodooTissue wrote: Yes, and from here on out I want everyone to refer to building workers as the "Voodoo double rainbow super happiness " strategy. Seriously though, this is probably going to throw a lot of bronze-league terrans up ranks. Really easy to execute, harder for your opponent to defend than it is for you to pull off - all the makings of a great, blue-vein cheese-all in. I do have a question in regards to fending it off as protoss - is it better to mass stalkers and sentries or sentries and zealots to fight this kind of mass marine play off? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that people who do this will probably hit well before the first colossus is out, so that's probably not an option. From my experience of bio vs gateway skirmshes,stalkers with 1-3 zealots to tank damage and force rines to retreat/kite is most optimal.STalkers can also kite marines indefinitely. | ||
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askTeivospy
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Venomous Drone
48 Posts
However i must say that when my drone reached his base and saw only 1 rax and zero gas i suspected something around the lines of fast expand or mass racks, there isnt anything else a terran can do with only minerals. After you see with your ling that he isnt expanding, it like...duh. By the way at below high platinum level i think this BO isnt an all in, as the other player wont normally have good macro either so just retreating with many marines and making an expo with bunkers can keep you defended until you get your eco up. | ||
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MercurialTW
United Kingdom17 Posts
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rmAmnesiac
United Kingdom185 Posts
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FFTiDe
28 Posts
On April 13 2011 19:01 rmAmnesiac wrote: what game did he use this in? can i have a link? It was DreamHack Invitational, TLO vs Idra, second match in round 1, first game on Xel naga. You have vods here. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On April 13 2011 19:01 rmAmnesiac wrote: what game did he use this in? can i have a link? He did it against Vibe yesterday in the NASL, game 2. http://nasl.tv/Match/Details/vibe-vs-tlo-season-1-week-1-match-2 VODs are only available at cost, unfortunately. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
If you wall, my zealot will be hitting at that, while my second stalker arrives. Two stalkers vs three (at most) marines isn't gonna hold up for long. Not to mention that I should be able to scout no gas. If I scout no gas, there's NO way that I'm not going to pressure. It's all too easy. You need a bunker. | ||
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LicH.
China235 Posts
On April 14 2011 03:24 Wolf wrote: If you wall, my zealot will be hitting at that, while my second stalker arrives. Two stalkers vs three (at most) marines isn't gonna hold up for long. Not to mention that I should be able to scout no gas. If I scout no gas, there's NO way that I'm not going to pressure. It's all too easy. You need a bunker. Who cares about this aspect, why would you ever do this build vs. a protoss in the first place? I've done this build many times, and only got it to work about 20% of the time v toss ; one forcefield at their ramp and you lose with this build. While this build is alright vs. z, 2 raxing with all scvs pulled is much more effective v. toss. | ||
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mythe
United States24 Posts
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