EPTIs it Viable? #1 - Immortal/Sentry/Zeal vs Terran - Page 2
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 10 2010 18:56 Hynda wrote: Marine/ghost I would transition into Colossus like I said before, the 1-1-2 or rather 3-1-2 would give me the most problem. I haven't worked out that yet nor do I have any theorycraft to deal with it.There are two builds that are pretty standard on EU server that I would see this build have major issues with. Marine + Ghost preasure, and the 1-1-2 fast raven into banshees. Have you run in to any of those builds and if so have you made the build bend around it? The fast raven almost negates everything the fast obs gives you so how would you deal with that? | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On September 10 2010 18:32 Plexa wrote: Haha I don't need to try :p go watch Socke's games from ESL today or Socke's games from go4sc2 36 (rep pack in tournament roundup post) will do thx  | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On September 10 2010 18:58 Plexa wrote: Marine/ghost I would transition into Colossus like I said before, the 1-1-2 or rather 3-1-2 would give me the most problem. I haven't worked out that yet nor do I have any theorycraft to deal with it. What would you use to keep the marine + ghosts out of your base with the early push? Rely on the obs to scout it and just skip immortals and rush to a colossus asap? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 10 2010 19:04 Hynda wrote: What would you use to keep the marine + ghosts out of your base with the early push? Rely on the obs to scout it and just skip immortals and rush to a colossus asap? Exactly that. I would have to play some proper games against it to know whether I need to cancel the expansion or not - but it should be holdable | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
Well put together post, the timeline of how your builds worked in the replays was interesting. After watching testers game yesterday, im thinking that this is a really good way to use that concept (although tester isn't some revolutionist using sentrys). I might want to try this when i offrace PvT. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 10 2010 20:23 Entropic wrote: Have you tried this against Naruto's 3rax? I can see how forcefields can really turn the tide against a 3rax build. I've seen Naruto's 3rax get rolled by Socke using clutch forcefields, but I think it will depend on map and the availability of key chokepoints which with to really funnel bio through and prevent the bio army retreating. I got rolled 8 times against Naruto's 3rax using a more standard version of this build (i.e. the exact same unit composition mana uses), I have a good feeling that this would fare a lot better. Maybe he'll give me some more games later ^^ Naruto is a really good player and he doesn't get half the respect he deserves. His TvP is ridiculously good, he just keeps running into Socke and co in big tournaments. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On September 10 2010 20:14 Camlito wrote: Awww i never get shoutouts, guess i should play more, thanks :D. Well put together post, the timeline of how your builds worked in the replays was interesting. After watching testers game yesterday, im thinking that this is a really good way to use that concept (although tester isn't some revolutionist using sentrys). I might want to try this when i offrace PvT. What about a shoutout for going back to Zerg and not playing Terran anymore?? | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 10 2010 23:50 Boblion wrote: And how do you deal with banshees ? He scouts with his Observer, and if he sees Banshees, he gets more Stalkers. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On September 10 2010 20:30 Plexa wrote: I got rolled 8 times against Naruto's 3rax using a more standard version of this build (i.e. the exact same unit composition mana uses), I have a good feeling that this would fare a lot better. Maybe he'll give me some more games later ^^ Naruto is a really good player and he doesn't get half the respect he deserves. His TvP is ridiculously good, he just keeps running into Socke and co in big tournaments. Which timing do you get rolled at? I know there are 2 key timings to the 3rax build, one that comes out around 50 supply with just marine marauder (usually comes out to punish fast expos), and a later push that comes with marine marauder medivac that comes around 70 supply give or take 10. I'm assuming the latter because Naruto will have seen you stay on one base and wait for the medivacs before pushing. EDIT: I've seen a lot of replays of Naruto's PvT myself (I basically stole his 3rax as my go-to build, so strong and relatively easy to execute). But I think Naruto gets overlooked because of Morrow and Bratok and even Demuslim (also mTw) taking much of the spotlight in the European scene. Plus, just like you said, Naruto keeps getting knocked out by Socke (who is a total beast). I saw those replays go up and thought, damn Socke is going to get rolled against Naruto, but it was the other way around. | ||
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