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On September 12 2010 06:55 Ivanero wrote:
This doesn't work, even when I achieved to get 1st BC on min 6:30. I tested it on high platinum and wins were 2/10.
I think you're pretty clearly doing something horribly wrong because we've had quite a number of higher level people in this thread having success with it. Why don't you post up a replay or two and we'll try to figure out the problem? You seem to be getting the BC out on time but something is very clearly not going right.
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On September 07 2010 11:33 out4blood wrote:
I should think that some people might want to go back and edit their "this would never work on a good player" comments since it clearly worked TWICE against the same pro player. One who is a legend.
The same pro player. One who is a legend.
Does he have a split personality?
Just joking 
I have tried this just this strategy just on comps so far to get my timing down. The fastest I got a BC out was at 8:14.
Tried on a ladder match on Lost Temple. Early scout showed a forge and and a gateway in front of his/her natural expansion. Since I though there would be cannons, I just expanded quick and pumped out BCs. Eventually I was beaten cause I did not scout again because I though pumping BCs and marines would kill what ever he sent with enough left over and producing to counter.
Didn't work as I planned .
He sent his army in at about 150 supply. He had 3 col. and the rest stalkers (I was expecting air). It was close, but in the end he still had a colossus and a few stalkers remaining and he was able to gate reinforcements in quickly.
That is what I get for lack of scouting.
On a side note, after watching the video, I saw that after the first BC came out he only had 1 cannon down and was teching fast. (Read the line above).
Cheers
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On September 07 2010 01:13 me_viet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 23:31 Uhh Negative wrote:
Good thing the zerg player you were playing was completely terrible. "Oh let's make two lairs and just mass roaches that'll probably help"
edit: the Protoss was awful as well. I can only see this working in maybe plat. Are you sure you are diamond? You are playing some bad players.
Cute build I guess but won't work against any competent player. Bashing it without any support other than "your opponent is horrible" which is an opinion btw does not help this thread and only labels you as a troll. What would you define as 'competent'? There are a few players in this thread (as well as OP) that are in diamond. Even my practice partner hu's 900 points diamond said he's lost to this on ladder and is still not sure what to do against it. EDIT: Would Tester be competent enough for you?
Lol did you watch the game? They were not good. I'm 950-1000 diamond and I think I'm garbage. Diamond literally means nothing other than "you kind of know how to play the game". I would classify myself in that category yet I think these kids were bad.
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I would just like to thank the original poster for providing this strategy.
Let me explain:
I play protoss. Of the last 5 PvT games I've played, all of my opponents were attempting to do a BC rush.
They all failed. :D
So yea, thank you lovely terrans for the easy wins. And a note to any terrans wanting to do this: it's definitely not as easy as it seems. Just because there was an upset in the GSL where some pro lost to this strategy, it doesn't make it an epic unbeatable build. Even when my opponents got the BCs out, I didn't have much trouble focusing them down with the stalkers I had accumulated via playing standard. Once they patch the BC, this build will only get worse.
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On September 14 2010 06:50 bentski wrote:
I would just like to thank the original poster for providing this strategy.
Let me explain:
I play protoss. Of the last 5 PvT games I've played, all of my opponents were attempting to do a BC rush.
They all failed. :D
So yea, thank you lovely terrans for the easy wins. And a note to any terrans wanting to do this: it's definitely not as easy as it seems. Just because there was an upset in the GSL where some pro lost to this strategy, it doesn't make it an epic unbeatable build. Even when my opponents got the BCs out, I didn't have much trouble focusing them down with the stalkers I had accumulated via playing standard. Once they patch the BC, this build will only get worse.
What league are you in? Are even sure your opposing t' are doing the build correctly? Replays or it never happened.
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On September 14 2010 06:59 zomgtossrush wrote:
What league are you in? Are even sure your opposing t' are doing the build correctly? Replays or it never happened.
I'm mid-diamond. And I'm positive they're doing the build incorrectly... one guy went engineering bay into PF so that he would defend better before he got the BC out. lol.
I'm not going to bother posting replays because I'm not ripping on the original build, I just wanted to share my experience as a protoss player. Since this post has popped up, it's ridiculous how many people are attempting fast BCs and botching it.
I dunno, I just thought it was kinda funny, but if you're going to be all angry about my post then I'll delete it.
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Fast BCs are useless. Fast BCs with a bunch of repairing SCVs and a lot of marines? That is just horrifying.
Encountered one person trying to do it, but they didn't scan, so I dropped in their back with a lovely force and killed them just before the BC popped (about 10 seconds after they left, it came out)
Another one did it successfully and I just fell over and died.
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Bumping this because of recent Battlecruiser change
Has anyone tried this post-patch yet? There was some argument in the thread about whether the damage nerf would hugely effect this rush. Unfortunately I play zerg exclusively now so I havent gotten to test it yet.
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It can maybe work if it dosnt get scouted, but this is bad against good players.
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Just did this...
Didnt practice it for that long so its not near perfect execution.
Wanted to have a build to make TvZ fun again (my worst matchup)
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F my diamond placement. I see all these fun strats and think how cool it would be to be able to do them to broze and silver.
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On October 27 2010 07:49 Thrawn1324 wrote:
F my diamond placement. I see all these fun strats and think how cool it would be to be able to do them to broze and silver.
Just practice and try to do this build smoothly. It works fine even in diamond for TvP unless you're pretty high diamond. I've gotten the chance to do it post-nerf and it's still not bad. The BC soaks up a lot of damage and gives vision. Its DPS still isnt too bad either.
So just because you're diamond, it doesnt mean you cant have fun. :D
Also, I'll see if I can't scrounge up some new replays for after that BC nerf.
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I do a slight variation where I get fast gas and get both a raven and BC out. Its rather hilarious suffice to say. The PDD prevents close to 300 stalker damage so its like having 1.6 BCs. The raven will chase the obs away or kill it and P will probably think it is some sort of Polt/3-1-2 build. I don't feel that the timing is hurt much because of the PDD and detection.
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Hey, so I'm only diamond, but I gotta say this is still working, maybe better than before. On close by air shattered temple, even with a pretty botched opening, this kicked ass. I sent fewer SCVs with my 'rines, but they were all going to get cleaned up by the roaches, so I should have just kept them home both games. By keeping most of my SCVs home and mining, I could bring out a 2nd BC pretty quickly.
On Tal'darim Alter LE I changed it up (since it's such a big map) and roflstomped.
10 depot
350M Move scv to nat.
400M build CC
150M build Rax at front choke
150M build Rax at front choke
Gas
Bunker when rax is done with a supply (whenever it is needed) for a full wall at the front
I don't recall the timings, but grab your orbitals and factory as soon as you can. After your fac goes down, throw down 3 more gas and fully saturate them ASAP. you'll have mules for minerals, so get those geysers up.
Starport x 3 when Fac is done
Fusion core when first Star is done
3x BCs
I must say that my 3 Starports got scouted (but not the fusion) so he had Mutes and Corrupters up, and was making hydras - but even with all that he got rolled. While my first set of BCs was taking out his initial AA, my 2nd 2 went to join the frey, while I kept any futher ones at home (since he was sending lings and banes to my base which I was having trouble holding as I played some sloppy D.
Shattered Replay
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Tal'darim Replay
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(img looks like shakuras, but it's really Tal'darim)
I think this works so well on Tal'darim because if you don't pressure early, zerg takes the chance to mass expand, and so their AA comes up pretty late, and when you do push, you have 3 BCs which is pretty beefy, especially when you have 2 or 3 more rallying in behind them.
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On September 08 2010 12:40 DaemonX wrote:
K just tested:
1 BC loses to 5 stalkers, with the last stalker at 100%.
1 BC owns 4 stalkers, cruiser on ~150 HP.
1 BC with the nerf STILL wins versus 4 stalkers, but only has 20-40 HP left.
Remember you'll have SCV repairing. 5 SCV repairing 1 BC can still eliminate 8 stalkers.
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This is why I love TL, if I said "I want to see a build that centers around archon drops for harass" then someone would make it, and make it work well.
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I'm pretty sure a particular person commonly does proxy battlecruiser rushes with 5k viewers. Works in Gold league.
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Hi Koibu,
I just watched your Replay against TGDormant. I must say I'm not really impressed. Z basically could have pumped 5 more roaches and counter pushed you. You had no ground army and no defense in your base and one BC takes forever to kill the Z's base. Further he didn't put down a hydra den which also had saved him the game.
I like creative builds and I think the BC rush is an interesting option but I think you should use the BC as support for your ground forces instead of just ralleying it to your opponents base.
If you just killed his expansion while getting up your own then you where maybe ahead even if Z had the right follow up.
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