EPT[G] 5 Roach Rush: early game without the all-in - Page 22
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
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IamOBESE
United States134 Posts
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Stibbs
Australia3 Posts
I love the flexibility, how easy it is to transition to muta/hydras etc, plus it generally gives you early map control. Awesome strat  I think this is my first ever post on here, lurked for quite some time now.. | ||
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SixSigma
United States16 Posts
The other thing this could lead to is Zerg finding itself in a "Terran-like" situation against Toss where we control the game flow early game. If we want to expand, there won't be much the Toss can do. If we want to do the 5RR, they have to do everything they can to prepare. I think I'm going to LOVE this build in the upcoming patch. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
My fiance just got the game today, and just from watching some Day9, and reading this thread, (and a little bit of QXC's build order tester) she managed to win 4 games straight in her placement matches, and is in platinum in her first day of owning the game | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
Keep in mind I am only in gold, but I think this is pretty good for lower leagues so I can comment on that. Pretty flexible too. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:59 mango_destroyer wrote: I signed up just to thank fist and newtie who optimized it with the 13/13 BO. I tried it for 9 straight games yesterday and won 8 of them. The one loss was against a terran who turtled insanely(triple supply depot wall) and I didn`t scout well or use blings against marines and tank push. Keep in mind I am only in gold, but I think this is pretty good for lower leagues so I can comment on that. Pretty flexible too. Whats this 13/13? or which page can i find the info out on? would be cool if the OP updated the build if he's improved upon it. on the front page | ||
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
Thanks again for this Fist, and thanks to everyone submitting more info/variants! | ||
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P00RKID
United States424 Posts
On August 28 2010 23:40 Oconomist wrote: New patch slows down the toss early game in theory, so it should help. However, I know a lot of tossers are worried about 6 pool now, and might get an earlier gate than normal. If toss are really going to be getting earlyer gateways as a response to that patch, I think I would experiment with double gas stealing. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On August 29 2010 04:06 Scrimpton wrote: Whats this 13/13? or which page can i find the info out on? would be cool if the OP updated the build if he's improved upon it. on the front page Page 15...newti`s 2nd post on that page. Edit- I think the updated build is on the first page now. | ||
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archon256
United States363 Posts
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RC_Fixer
United States21 Posts
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HomicidaL
United States283 Posts
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HardcoreBilly
United States222 Posts
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xtcz
United States16 Posts
On August 29 2010 07:04 mango_destroyer wrote: Page 15...newti`s 2nd post on that page. Edit- I think the updated build is on the first page now. Updated build is on first page. However, back on p. 15, newti, you asked if the earlier 2 drones was much better than drones later on? Was that ever decided? | ||
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efekti
Finland1 Post
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Newti
Switzerland71 Posts
On August 29 2010 14:17 xtcz wrote: Updated build is on first page. However, back on p. 15, newti, you asked if the earlier 2 drones was much better than drones later on? Was that ever decided? Ok so this is what I have come up with after playing a lot of games with this build. The build in the OP works if the following is true: - You execute the build order perfectly with no mistakes - You Larva are near the minerals (drones don't have to run around the hatch) - You do not get harassed What I do most of the time is cutting the drone after the first injection. This allows for minor errors in the build order and you can cope with worker harass. It also makes up for spawn locations where the Larva are on the other side of the Hatchery. Plus you get to keep that Larva to build an additional Zergling. I suggest you try for yourself if you can squeeze 2, 1 or no drones after you started the Roach Warren. One Drone works for me. If you want to gas steal check out my replays a couple pages back for a slightly different BO. | ||
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lovewithlea
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so much fun | ||
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gonkulator
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- When I'm playing against Protoss he usually walls himself in with a few cannons and some gateways so I can't get in with the handful of Roaches and Zerglings I have. I pull back and macro up and usually I get a Spire or a Hydralisk Den. But when I have a small force of anti-air forces he comes in with a load of Void Rays and Stalkers and just burns me to death. I seriously have no idea how to beat the cannons before he can get the critical amount of Void Rays. Banelings maybe? I figure that would take too long and it's still hard with Banelings to get through those cannons. - When I'm playing against Terran he also walls himself in with tanks AND missile turrets, so I can't target fire his tanks with Mutalisks. Banelings don't help either because they get torn to shreds by the tanks. When he sees I have Mutalisks he techs up to Thors. Expanding doesn't help either. I try to scout as mush as possible to see what he is up to but when I can barely see a glimpse of what he has the Overlord/Overseer usually gets killed by missile turrets/marines/photon cannons/etc. so I still have no idea what he is up to. It seems that he always will go for something I did not expect. I guess that's my fault there. I'm really stuck here. I'm a Bronze player by the way. Was Silver before but because of a huge losing streak I got put back into Bronze again. Oh well. So, what should I do? Keep the agression up when he's turtling? Expand and focus on building a solid force? Scout more? Any help would be appreciated. | ||
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pilsken
Germany441 Posts
So, what should I do? Keep the agression up when he's turtling? Expand and focus on building a solid force? Scout more? Any help would be appreciated. Build more stuff. Keep your money low. Don't forget to build workers. Don't get supplyblocked. Your losses have almost certainly nothing to do with the strat he or you chose. | ||
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