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Deathtrooper
Canada38 Posts
Here is a video of me, just an average diamond league player, and my friends, easily thwarting this cheese attempt. When I posted on youtube I had a lot of people tell me how "impossible" it is to deal with, and how "overpowered" Zerg is.... This is proof that build only works on noobs... Agree, disagree? Thanks guys, | ||
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Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
But eventually there will be more than one 3v3 map. And it might be harder to block. Obviously if you can block a choke with cannons it's pretty easy to deal with a lingrush. 4v4 is way harder to block. as there are so many friggin' ramps on that map. Realistically though. 2v2 is already somewhat difficult to deal with 2player cheese I wouldn't expect 3v3 or 4v4 to get any better. The best thing would probably just to have an option for no rush 3 minutes or something like that. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
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spritzz
Canada331 Posts
On June 02 2010 07:38 Percutio wrote: I've found that zealot rushes are actually better. You keep a better economy and eat lings cost effectively. Plus, zealots kill buildings in no time at all. That really depends on micro skills. If it goes on for long enough, speedlings can be annoying. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
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virgozero
Canada412 Posts
If both players are equal in terms of their ability in sc2 (I wont say skill cause its so vague in rts) then the 3v1 ling rush would definitely win. The only way I can see this counter is if you know for CERTAIN this is what they are doing and you spine up IN ur mineral line(before getting anything else). You'd prob need like 3-4 since its 3 ling rushes all at once. The thing is after this, they can expand and continue to macro while you guys are fcked. So basically.. your screwed either way. If you survive early game, you loose mid game/late game. | ||
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Morayfire73
United States298 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On June 02 2010 08:24 virgozero wrote: your assuming that the guy doing the rush is nub. If both players are equal in terms of their ability in sc2 (I wont say skill cause its so vague in rts) then the 3v1 ling rush would definitely win. The only way I can see this counter is if you know for CERTAIN this is what they are doing and you spine up IN ur mineral line(before getting anything else). You'd prob need like 3-4 since its 3 ling rushes all at once. The thing is after this, they can expand and continue to macro while you guys are fcked. So basically.. your screwed either way. If you survive early game, you loose mid game/late game. you didn't even watch the video try reading the thread before going on a tangent | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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peterjj12
Portugal18 Posts
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virgozero
Canada412 Posts
On June 02 2010 08:34 shawster wrote: you didn't even watch the video try reading the thread before going on a tangent where in my post did I say i was referring to the video? I am not referring tot he video at all. I am talking about the topic, which as you clearly do not understand, "How to counter 3v3 zerg 7 pool rush". Simply because he posted a video does not mean we are limited to talk about the video he included. If you made a post about a Aston martin vs Ferrari and you included a video of Aston Martins are we not allowed to talk about ferraris? | ||
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
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Elprede
74 Posts
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
On June 02 2010 09:54 Tone_ wrote: Nice video man, I did find Huskys video kinda pointless and annoying. I know right? Why make a video like that, when you know it will result in hundreds of people trying it again....and again...and again. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On June 02 2010 09:04 virgozero wrote: where in my post did I say i was referring to the video? I am not referring tot he video at all. I am talking about the topic, which as you clearly do not understand, "How to counter 3v3 zerg 7 pool rush". Simply because he posted a video does not mean we are limited to talk about the video he included. If you made a post about a Aston martin vs Ferrari and you included a video of Aston Martins are we not allowed to talk about ferraris? you see 3 zergs ofc they'll do it. op showed how to beat this strat, he basically answered your post in his video. how do you fend it off? you double wall. anyways, 3v1 zergling rush OF COURSE you'll lose, thats why you have teamates. if you fend it off successfully, even with some losses, you're in a VERY good situation. they sacrifice so much econ by doing 7 pool that it's really hard for them to come back from, unless you let them macro up. | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
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DrakeSpirit
United States3 Posts
On June 02 2010 10:48 frogmelter wrote: I doubt anyone competent, Husky included, actually believed that it was unstoppable... Not only that but he said himself that the build was just a fun little thing to try out | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
In 3v3 im part of a tpz team (me being the zerg), when there is a rush coming, be it 3x 7pool or just 7pool+2gate+proxyrax, I simply get 7-9 pool and get early gas for banelings. Banelings may take some investments, but mixed with my teammates rines/stalkers/lots/rauders are really devastating, cuz if they retreat we get some shots off, and when they stay... banelings will evaporate any t1 unit very quickly (as for the roach/rauder/stalker, my teammates units help  ). Watching 4 banelings kill off the whole enemy army is epic.It is amazing how strong banelings are in 3v3 and on the single 3v3 map can often easily take out an expansion as there are many routes. And banelings are also pretty decent against hydras, get +1 attack and 2 will kill a couple hydras! After blings I tech muta most of the time for easy scout purposes for my terran mate's tank, harass and enemy ground only units. | ||
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thordan
Sweden65 Posts
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Deathtrooper
Canada38 Posts
Yeah the game cannot be balanced around 3v3 or 4v4 play, its even hard to adjust things for 2v2 when the game's main focus is 1v1 play. But I just wanted to make that video to show people everything can be countered because I know some people (mostly newer players to the game) were having difficulty with cheese and early rush builds against them. | ||
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dangots0ul
United States919 Posts
you had 500+ minerals from like 3 minutes on -.- | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
1) You can share resources with your teammates, which would have helped in this game. 2) The reason you can't jump forward (I believe) is due to how replays function. A replay is just a file with all the commands of the game saved. When you play the replay it simply takes the commands again just like when you played. You can't jump ahead because it needs to go line by line to assemble it properly. | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
Anyway, you gambeled that it was comming, but that stuff wouldve set you back ages if they went FE or somehting | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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Krayze
United States213 Posts
On June 02 2010 22:27 Snowfield wrote: sup with the word "drain"? lol Anyway, you gambeled that it was comming, but that stuff wouldve set you back ages if they went FE or somehting Yea I used to 2v2 and since we're both zerg, everyone always expected some early 6 pool cheese. We would fast expand while they bunkered down and we started out with a good advantage. OP, I liked the video but I think there was a little hate towards my man Husky. I like what you did with walling off, but you need at least 2 non zerg players to do it. But given the situation and if you know the rush is coming, I'm glad there's a fairly safe and easy way to hold it off I was in pain when you let those lings through tho. Under my breathe was like build a pylon build a pylon pylon Pylon PYLON BUILD A PYLON awhhhhh...... | ||
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jgreen46
Canada94 Posts
Ok? Husky is not a pro player, he is a commentator. He watches people do what he can't. He's not going to be able to tell you how to win every game. And honestly the best way to counter this is to play a balanced game mode, ie 1v1. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
oh btw, on that map you can scout at 8 and still easily get a bunker with 2 marines up from a standard rax timing | ||
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iopq
United States910 Posts
that's the counter to EVERY rush strat | ||
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Soel
90 Posts
the same way you defend against a single 7 pool, except all 3 of you do it. what kind of retarded shit question is this? also it is worth noting that even if say, a terran, sacrifices all his scv's to thwart the lings, the defending team will still be economically far ahead of the triple 6 pool team. | ||
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MeruFM
United States167 Posts
I think vs 3 random, it's really difficult if they all received zerg and decided to 7 pool. 3v3/4v4 is not really designed to be balanced, especially not with a single map pool. The main problem with a triple zerg rush is the amount of zerglings availible for them. They can just run into 1 person's minerals, kill some workers, run into the next, kill some workers, etc. Anyone who uses static defenses means they neglected in defending their allies. The best thing is to just "assume they went rush" and build a single defensive building bunker/cannon/crawler and then build actual units for more concentrated defending as the zerg go speedlings. If they decided to just mass, you'll be at a disadvantage. But since it's 3v3, it's dynamic enough so that it's not too much of a disadvantage. | ||
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Musgo
Portugal4 Posts
when my opponent is zerg i usually make a early worker scout to see if hes not doing anything like 7pool rush and for terran its easier to counter due to the ramp block and i guess that protoss can make a similar block in choke like the one in this video. but i think that the 7pool against other zerg is harder to counter but to counter it i'd make some spine crawlers. | ||
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EnderW
United States170 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
Now, assuming that Husky is dead serious, and 3x7pool is unbeatable is as presumptuous, as assuming that 3 zerg in 3v3 are necessarily 3x7pooling (which you didn't even attempt to scout?). It would be interesting to make 3-zerg team, and abuse the fact that *everyone* is gonna wall-off and build static defenses early on like crazy (: and instead go fast mutas or smth. Another question: 3 zerg vs 3 zerg, or 3 zerg vs 2 zerg + 1 p/t - then I guess the defense works a bit differently? Note: resource sharing is not allowed in the first 5 minutes, so it will be tough for a single Toss or Terran to wall off both chokes in time. | ||
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extempest
Canada77 Posts
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
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soverRR
Sweden348 Posts
Also, as someone else already mentioned, good players would block your wall-attempts with drones or have a much stronger followup than what those guys had. And as someone else said, this looked more like silver than diamond. | ||
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Challe
Afghanistan58 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
On June 02 2010 11:06 HuskyTheHusky wrote: Haha, my build was just for fun. I posted that video because we went something like 15-1 with it and wanted to get the word out so people know what to expect against a 3 or 4 zerg team Now its a revolutionized build  Thought process for all players now: All Z = Rush! | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On June 03 2010 18:52 Soel wrote: how to defend against a triple 7 pool? the same way you defend against a single 7 pool, except all 3 of you do it. what kind of retarded shit question is this? also it is worth noting that even if say, a terran, sacrifices all his scv's to thwart the lings, the defending team will still be economically far ahead of the triple 6 pool team. Does idiocy come this easily to you? Sure, if each enemy zerg focuses on one person each then you can hold off with normal strategies, but you seem to have forgotten that 3v3 does not consist of isolated pairs. It will be a 3v1 if you cannot hold them at the choke, which is drastically different. Be careful not to make an ass of yourself while insulting others, you end up looking twice as stupid. | ||
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