14 Pool sucks in ZvZ? 14 Pool SUCKS? Are you kidding me? I'm in Diamond League and I use 14 Pool for every ZvZ. I have yet to lose a single game this patch. To deal with a 6 pool, Try to distract him as long as possible with those drones until your Pool pops up, it shouldn't be hard to kill 6 lings with like 13 - 15 drones. After that, there should only be 2 lings popping up, if not, then that means he saved up and which means your pool should be done.

CryMore

United States497 Posts

June 01 2010 08:21 GMT

#23

If he choose to engage your drones stack them on a mineral patch then attack. Remember he only has 7 drones so losing 2-3 drones is not that big of a deal. Don't be afraid to attack the zerglings and drive them back. Just make sure he can't pick off any stray drones. If he brings 2 drones definitely build spine crawlers of your own in a safe place (like your mineral line) then move them up using your drones/lings to guard it. On a super small map like steeps of war you should always send a drone scout early just to make sure there's nothing super cheezy then bring it back. If you see an early pool you might want to drop a 12 or 13 pool.

BigDatez

Canada434 Posts

June 01 2010 18:02 GMT

#24

Supperior micro should dominate a 6pool if you can pull an overpool out as well. Once u see it, cancel all building drones, and save up for a pool

Mr.E

United States434 Posts

June 01 2010 18:16 GMT

#25

Put a spine crawler in your mineral line immediately when your pool's up, make +1 for every spine crawler he makes on your creep. Micro your drones well.

Go for an early pool on maps like steppes.

Cheerio

Ukraine3178 Posts

June 01 2010 18:23 GMT

#26

Actually 8 pool is more of a threat as it doesn't sacrifice eco so bad. I lost to it with 14 pool recently due to the mining time lost and some lost drones > fended off the rush but ended up behind economically

Owarida

United States333 Posts

June 01 2010 18:27 GMT

#27

Overpools are a safe build while still economic. Your drones can hold off the first 6 while your waiting for your lings on overpool.

jamesr12

United States1549 Posts

June 01 2010 18:29 GMT

#28

6 pool is a joke... just defend with workers. When people lose to 6 pool it is either because thier micro is absolute crap or they gg to early beacaus they forget you can afford to lose a lot to a 6 pool because your opponeent has no econ if they went for a 6 pool

graphene

Finland211 Posts

June 01 2010 18:32 GMT

#29

funny thing is i am in diamond and im ranked top 15 in my league, pretty said, when atk move or right click with drones, the drones sometimes end up doing nothing.

stickman.hqt

United States47 Posts

June 01 2010 18:57 GMT

#30

14 pool is fine vs 6 pool. Your drones just have to defend vs 6 lings. Remember the game is yours as soon as he fails. He also won't have a queen and you should have yours popping out. As soon as your queen aids your drones its game for him and just stall till your first 4 lings pop.

Also, if you scout early to find it you can prepare yourself mentally to micro better and not get flustered by it. Losing 1 drone for free will hurt a lot.

charlie420247

United States692 Posts

June 01 2010 19:01 GMT

#31

14 pool is freaking great! unless he 6 pools in which case your in big trouble. they go 14 or even 15 pool in higher levels cuz the other guy is not 6 pooling DUH! go 13 pool zvz problem solved. although if he doesnt rush you youll wish you had went 14 or 15 pool lol!

DaggerRage

United States30 Posts

June 01 2010 19:18 GMT

#32

I 15 pool, 17 hatch damn near every ZvZ I do. If they do not kill me on their first push, the game is pretty much won. What I do to stop a 6 pool is Surround the lings iwth my drones and pump lings when I can. I also make a spince crawler as soon as the pool finishes. If they force me to stop my expo I have money for roaches to hang out at my choke while I build up. 6pool is hard to pull off if you are not afraid to fight with your drones.

Mr.E

United States434 Posts

June 01 2010 19:24 GMT

#33

On June 02 2010 04:18 DaggerRage wrote:
I 15 pool, 17 hatch damn near every ZvZ I do. If they do not kill me on their first push, the game is pretty much won. What I do to stop a 6 pool is Surround the lings iwth my drones and pump lings when I can. I also make a spince crawler as soon as the pool finishes. If they force me to stop my expo I have money for roaches to hang out at my choke while I build up. 6pool is hard to pull off if you are not afraid to fight with your drones.

Good luck against 8-10 pool to baneling on steppes, but your right about defending the 6-8 lings with a spine crawler in the mineral line. Just have to be smart with your drones, use the mineral patches or gas to move your drones much more freely than he can move his lings.

Cheerio

Ukraine3178 Posts

June 01 2010 19:57 GMT

#34

On June 02 2010 04:24 Mr.E wrote:

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Yeah. Whenever I see someone go FE I cancel the roach warren and go speedling baneling. In this kind of play the FE is a waste of money because you'll never have the drones to saturate even 1 base.

Deathtrooper

Canada38 Posts

June 01 2010 21:49 GMT

#35

On a semi-related note, here is a video showing how to counter the 3v3 7 pool rush as displayed by Husky Starcraft

LlOoKkIi

Korea (South)473 Posts

August 21 2011 17:15 GMT

#36

K so i was looking up how to defend a six pool as zerg and i came across this. I try and micro but i always end up loosing and zvz is the only match up i lose to (and in silver league everyone six pools zvz). So i was wondering if like a defensive 8 pool would work if instead of building zerglings I could build spines.

Tell me if this is retarded or if it does actually work cause i always lose zvz cause of six poolers.

Sixxor

United States14 Posts

August 21 2011 18:38 GMT

#37

This thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254591) talks about a 9 pool which will let you put early pressure on your opponent and will pretty much directly counter any 6pool attempts.

DeadCell

Canada256 Posts

August 22 2011 02:47 GMT

#38

In ZvZ I always early scout on close maps, I'm much to paranoid to simply not scout and 14 pool.

Generally I can get into their main an spot an early pool after I've done the extractor trick sitting at 11/10 supply.

If I scout the early pool. I immediately throw down my own pool. If no pool I'll continue droning until I see his pool or reach 14/18

For each spine you need max 4 drones denying them. The rest you'll need to micro against the early lings. I often put the spine directly behind my main between my hatch an the minerals.

This helps in two ways, the small barrier in the mineral line slightly helps you surround the lings with your drones if necessary. The key is making sure your spine finished before his, and if that's not possible microing effectively.

Of course if your pool is just beginning as his lings enter your main this is much harder to hold off.

In ZvZ in close positions I generally 12-13 pool just to be safe. I know some of you must be thinking what can 1-2 drone difference really make; but really timing in fending off cheese is everything for so is the rush unfolding upon you.

Stropheum

United States1124 Posts

August 22 2011 02:50 GMT

#39

you can beat a 7pool blind with 14gas 14pool. Just sim city your pool next to your gas, micro drones, cut gas when you see the lings incoming, don't let the spine get free build time, and hold out til lings/queen pop. If you keep your drones alive, you win.

BigHeadYoony

United States92 Posts

August 22 2011 02:53 GMT

#40

What Stropheum said.

You can hold off 6~8 initial lings with pure drones. With a build like 14 gas 14 pool, you can always hold off 6 pool with proper drone control.