EPTHe brings 6 lings and 2 drones for spines.
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ZvZ, how to counter six pool
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graphene
Finland211 Posts
He brings 6 lings and 2 drones for spines. thank u | ||
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L6-636536
United States94 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
I scout on 9 currently, and can get to the opponent on most 2 player maps as i'm getting my 3 drones after my ovie. If i see a 6pool, i go for a 10pool. If i see a 10/11 pool, i go for my 13 extract, 13 pool. Works real well! | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:05 L6-636536 wrote: 12 pool queen 2x spine crawaler its obvious if hes going to swarm you especially with ZvZ You'll always see it comming and your economy will be strong enough to support a 2 or even a 3x spinecrawler defense Especially if your throw your queen and crawlers with only a 3 ling gap so that the zerglings simply get overpowered and btw you should never 14 pool 0.o ZvZ and hopefully your doing double extractor trick. You should never 14pool? That's pretty standard dude. In fact, Idra, arguably the best SC2 Zerg player in the world right now, goes for 15pool almost every game. | ||
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L6-636536
United States94 Posts
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flyinfart
United States95 Posts
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utaki
Canada42 Posts
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:44 utaki wrote: What I always do is build a spinecrawlers in my mineral line early game so that 6 pool is not that effective. Depends on when you pool, If you 14 pool like the OP you will already be in trouble by the time you start morphing the crawler. | ||
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FC.Strike
United States621 Posts
Now I personally have no idea how to stop a 6 or 7 pool with a 14 pool or a 15 hatch 14 pool, I prefer to go 8 pool on small maps and 13 pool on large maps. Maybe I just lack the micro necessary to pull off a 14 pool like the pros can, or maybe they just assume they aren't going to get 7 pooled (although I'm sure if 7 pool beat macro builds, they would do it all the time). | ||
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Gescom
Canada3440 Posts
I generally scout at 10. | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:50 FC.Strike wrote: Do you guys have any idea what you're talking about? Pros go 14/15 pool or even 15 hatch 14 pool all the time, even on smaller maps. Go look for the 17173 world cup VoDs and check out Dimaga's games, they never went for a pool any earlier than 14. Now I personally have no idea how to stop a 6 or 7 pool with a 14 pool or a 15 hatch 14 pool, I prefer to go 8 pool on small maps and 13 pool on large maps. Maybe I just lack the micro necessary to pull off a 14 pool like the pros can, or maybe they just assume they aren't going to get 7 pooled (although I'm sure if 7 pool beat macro builds, they would do it all the time). Of course Pros can do that, they are pros. The rest of us are forced to play safer as we cannot rely on flawless micro to keep us alive in that kind of a situation. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
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pyr0ma5ta
United States458 Posts
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aGenda
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NeoLearner
Belgium1847 Posts
I normally go 12 pool, 14 lord, save larvae and mins to make a queen and 6 zerglings right when pool is finished. I checked the timings on this Vs 6 pool and on maps with a decent rush distance (= not Steppes or Incineration) your zerglings will finish about when 6 pool lings arrive. So it is save enough for my blood. It's a micro battle. I saw a VOD of this, I think it was Idra Vs GerrardPrime. Had some nice micro, trying to surround the crawler while not loosing any lings. I THINK it was this one, but I'm not sure and I'm at work so I can't check... EDIT: Typo | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Gorgazm
Australia32 Posts
was it just teh case of me not micro'ing my drones well enough? i'm wondering if against Z i should opt for an earlier pool | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On May 31 2010 15:49 Gorgazm wrote: You simply should not be overrun by a 9pool. The only possible way that can happen is if your micro is absolutely horrendous or you don't bother to scout at all(hint, don't make more drones if you scout an early pool).this is something i've been struggling with, i generally go 13 extractor and 13 pool, yet i got over-run by a 9 pool last night. was it just teh case of me not micro'ing my drones well enough? i'm wondering if against Z i should opt for an earlier pool | ||
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iopq
United States939 Posts
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Rebornx3
Canada200 Posts
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CryMore
United States497 Posts
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
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Mr.E
United States434 Posts
Go for an early pool on maps like steppes. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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graphene
Finland211 Posts
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stickman.hqt
United States47 Posts
Also, if you scout early to find it you can prepare yourself mentally to micro better and not get flustered by it. Losing 1 drone for free will hurt a lot. | ||
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charlie420247
United States692 Posts
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DaggerRage
United States30 Posts
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Mr.E
United States434 Posts
On June 02 2010 04:18 DaggerRage wrote: I 15 pool, 17 hatch damn near every ZvZ I do. If they do not kill me on their first push, the game is pretty much won. What I do to stop a 6 pool is Surround the lings iwth my drones and pump lings when I can. I also make a spince crawler as soon as the pool finishes. If they force me to stop my expo I have money for roaches to hang out at my choke while I build up. 6pool is hard to pull off if you are not afraid to fight with your drones. Good luck against 8-10 pool to baneling on steppes, but your right about defending the 6-8 lings with a spine crawler in the mineral line. Just have to be smart with your drones, use the mineral patches or gas to move your drones much more freely than he can move his lings. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On June 02 2010 04:24 Mr.E wrote: Good luck against 8-10 pool to baneling on steppes, but your right about defending the 6-8 lings with a spine crawler in the mineral line. Just have to be smart with your drones, use the mineral patches or gas to move your drones much more freely than he can move his lings. Yeah. Whenever I see someone go FE I cancel the roach warren and go speedling baneling. In this kind of play the FE is a waste of money because you'll never have the drones to saturate even 1 base. | ||
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Deathtrooper
Canada38 Posts
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LlOoKkIi
Korea (South)473 Posts
Tell me if this is retarded or if it does actually work cause i always lose zvz cause of six poolers. | ||
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Sixxor
United States14 Posts
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DeadCell
Canada256 Posts
Generally I can get into their main an spot an early pool after I've done the extractor trick sitting at 11/10 supply. If I scout the early pool. I immediately throw down my own pool. If no pool I'll continue droning until I see his pool or reach 14/18 For each spine you need max 4 drones denying them. The rest you'll need to micro against the early lings. I often put the spine directly behind my main between my hatch an the minerals. This helps in two ways, the small barrier in the mineral line slightly helps you surround the lings with your drones if necessary. The key is making sure your spine finished before his, and if that's not possible microing effectively. Of course if your pool is just beginning as his lings enter your main this is much harder to hold off. In ZvZ in close positions I generally 12-13 pool just to be safe. I know some of you must be thinking what can 1-2 drone difference really make; but really timing in fending off cheese is everything for so is the rush unfolding upon you. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
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BigHeadYoony
United States92 Posts
You can hold off 6~8 initial lings with pure drones. With a build like 14 gas 14 pool, you can always hold off 6 pool with proper drone control. | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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peppilepew
93 Posts
hope that helps if u want replays showing it just ask | ||
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nobbob1
Canada145 Posts
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