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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On April 03 2010 23:49 hellitsaboutme wrote: Do you want terran to go pure maradeur and win? Which is already happening. No I like having diverse armies, but I don't think you should just look at storm as the direct counter just because it was a counter vs bio in SCBW, protoss has a lot of other potential counters. | ||
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hellitsaboutme
Singapore118 Posts
EMP counters HTs well, don't you say that storm is hard counter to MMM. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On April 03 2010 23:56 hellitsaboutme wrote: I think you don't know that storm animation is the same but impact is 77% less than before patch. It's huge very huge nerf. Roaches and maradeurs don't give a shit to storms now. Pls check latest PvT and PvZ games. EMP counters HTs well, don't you say that storm is hard counter to MMM. Good protoss players will spread out HT's so you can't EMP them all. You can also put them in a Warp Prism to protect them until you are in storm range. | ||
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hellitsaboutme
Singapore118 Posts
On April 03 2010 23:58 Zoler wrote: Good protoss players will spread out HT's so you can't EMP them all. You can also put them in a Warp Prism to protect them until you are in storm range. So do terran can spread his army against protoss, considering that before patch Storm had same radius as EMP. I think we are shifting from topic. Let's not do that. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On April 04 2010 00:05 hellitsaboutme wrote: So do terran can spread his army against protoss, considering that before patch Storm had same radius as EMP. I think we are shifting from topic. Let's not do that. What about Warp Prism? | ||
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depthsofchaos
Hungary30 Posts
So all we need is a warp rpism, great micro, tier 3 units with their upgrades, and hope that the terran won't have anymore emp left to pull off a storm that might hit 5-6 125hp units for 1-2 second. Seems balanced. | ||
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hellitsaboutme
Singapore118 Posts
Thinking of micro me as random player who plays all races I would say: Protoss has to: - put defense shield by sentries - put ice blocks in the heat of battle - spread army - control zeals and immo/stalkers separately - storm - feedback - load/unload HTs from Warp prism overall 6 type of units. Terran has to: - stim - EMP overall 3 type of units Aren't you asking to much gosu micro from Toss? | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
On April 03 2010 21:16 depthsofchaos wrote: Bad trolling mr, at least back up your bullshit. Ultras can't catch up to marauders with stim before they die even tho they can't be slowed which I know (without a beta key). Think I'm lying just for fun? Hahaha, oh wow. Look how even when he got caught up from both sides he just runs away and survives lmao. It isnt as if getting that army as T is that hard at midgame... and thats tier 1 unit against mass t2/t3 units, how is that balanced! | ||
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TFlame
United States25 Posts
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architekt
Germany64 Posts
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
On April 03 2010 23:06 hellitsaboutme wrote: Oh really? Do you know that Maradeurs counter speedlings as well? Speedlings barely scratch stimmed maradeurs and when maradeurs/speedlings are dancing around in high speed Ultras will never reach them. Ultras are way slower than in sc1. And don't you dare to compare cheap tier1 maradeurs to high tech units. I can see that 5 Maraduers are countering 3 Ultras. If we take same cost can u imagine that 1 Immortal or 2 Dragoons are countering 3 Ultras. Pls do some analyze Stimmed Marauders don't counter speedlings when there's a decent number of them. Not even close. I can imagine 3 stalkers with blink countering 3 ultras without speed. Again, the result would have been totally different in this video if the ultralisks had speed. Hell, even 1 tank could kite 3 ultras without speed forever in SC1. Marauders are fine. | ||
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hellitsaboutme
Singapore118 Posts
On April 04 2010 00:46 Koffiegast wrote: Hahaha, oh wow. Look how even when he got caught up from both sides he just runs away and survives lmao. It isnt as if getting that army as T is that hard at midgame... and thats tier 1 unit against mass t2/t3 units, how is that balanced! I think quite all ppl agree that there is a problem with maradeurs. Just a few dumbass terrans don't understand it. | ||
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TFlame
United States25 Posts
On April 04 2010 00:54 lepape wrote: Sorry but stimmed Marauders don't counter speedlings when there's a decent number of them. Not even close. I can imagine 3 stalkers with blink countering 3 ultras without speed. Again, the result would have been totally different in this video if the ultras had speed. Hell, even 1 tank could kite 3 ultras without speed forever in SC1. Marauders are fine. No. Slowing the ultra's down with the default slow attack, and speeding the marauders up with the simpack is like micro'ing speed hydra's against ensnared no-leg zealots. It's called tier 1 EZ mode. The best thing toss have going for them in PvT right now is how lazy many Terran's have become from marauder ez living. | ||
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
On April 04 2010 00:59 TFlame wrote: No. Slowing the ultra's down with the default slow attack, and speeding the marauders up with the simpack is like micro'ing speed hydra's against ensnared no-leg zealots. It's called tier 1 EZ mode. You're wrong, ultralisks can't be slowed by Marauders. Watch the video carefully, they run at exactly the same speed before and after they get attacked by them. Note that those ultras also don't have speed upgrade, so when you think about it, it's ridiculous to read so many people commenting ''OMG nerf marauders'' when... those ultralisks are not even upgraded! | ||
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TFlame
United States25 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
On April 04 2010 01:07 TFlame wrote: You got me, instead of slowing they do 20 damage per shot, cost for cost more dps than immortals but tier 1 and slowing everything else. Also can be healed and stimmable for essentially 40 dps (double cost for cost immortal dps against armored, even more than that against light). Very well thought out unit those marauders. Yes, because you can make... zerglings against marauders, in this very specific case. Come on guys, have you even played SC1? Just a few dragoons were extremely cost effective against ultralisks (esp without speed), tanks were also extremely good. There's NOTHING that different here with marauders. | ||
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TFlame
United States25 Posts
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hellitsaboutme
Singapore118 Posts
On April 04 2010 00:54 lepape wrote: Sorry but stimmed Marauders don't counter speedlings when there's a decent number of them. Not even close. I can imagine 3 stalkers with blink countering 3 ultras without speed. Again, the result would have been totally different in this video if the ultralisks had speed. Hell, even 1 tank could kite 3 ultras without speed forever in SC1. Marauders are fine. Have you played ZvT? I am mostly random and I know what I am saying. Zerg never has equivalent mass of zerglings against maradeurs. In simple situation zerg has roughly mixed army, and when zerglings try chase down maradeurs they get too far from main army of zerg (hydras or ultras) and maradeurs kill easily small amount of zerglings. Theoretically, 1 stalker can kill 100 Ultras. But thats not the case. DPS of stalkers is so tiny that Ultras can simply ignore them. Whereas you cannot ignore maradeur's damage. 5 Maradeurs with stim (5*20*2) = 200 per second. 3 stalkers (3*14) = 42. Feel the difference? Not to mention 5 maradeurs are cheaper than 3 stalkers in terms of gas. Again you don't analyze. Plz use some brain. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On April 04 2010 00:53 TFlame wrote: The funniest part about all this is that I will play a terran who goes barracks first, etc. for fastest possible marauder cheese, go all in marauders for the next 20 minutes, eventually I hold out and beat him with storm, and he will act like storm is imbalanced, after him making 1 unit for 30 minutes and me making 75% of my tech tree to counter and out expanding. "Storm is IMBA!!" is what I will hear with 4 expo's to his 1-2 and my 7 tech buildings vs pure marauder. Unfortunately Blizzard is stupid enough to look at overall win % for races as their balance que and forgets that over half of the newbies that don't know how to play the game will pick terran because it is the "human" race and get raped, bringing that % down so they overbalance them to reciprocate. Even when guys like CowGoMoo were showing that Terran were just fine from the get go. Are you really so clueless or just lying on purpose to flame others? | ||
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