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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On February 20 2010 23:21 Islandsnake wrote: I really don't think I would let a toss get away with only stalkers till collsi on one gate X_x I usually move out before stim to test the waters... This is true, if you don't make a lot of zealots terran will boom boom crush you like a noob | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
Anyone who can beat me lets see? (not saying no one can lol!) | ||
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rest_less
Germany142 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On February 20 2010 22:53 Floophead_III wrote: Well if they're going to be aggressive and 1 base, I don't expo until my collosus is started. I've refined what I'm doing since then, it's perfectly safe. PvZ on the other hand, I'm not sure what protoss has going for them.... I think the main question people have with this build is if its at all viable against "The Zatic build" or simply a one base marauder heavy pressure build. Since marauders are so strong early game you really can not judge this strategy without playing against a terran who uses them alot. I could see this being extremely effective against someone who does reaper harass into just pure marine/medivac but as of now most "high level" terrans seem to mass marauders (and marines). | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 20 2010 23:47 rest_less wrote: i think the viability of this bo most unfortunately highly correlates with your post count. no offense, but sorry dude. Hey so do you have a beta key or are you just being a jackass? | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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lostshard
United States95 Posts
However stalkers are good support/harrass units but as your main force alone leaves you open to hard counters. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
I played in platinum league and I've only lost 1 pvt to a banshee build. I think I played about 10. P.S. I've started getting a slightly earlier 2nd gate, but it kinda sits around idle for a few seconds cause I don't have the gas for 2 gate stalkers with chrono and all the upgrades and tech for collosi, which are like 2x as expensive as reavers were =/ I've updated the BO to reflect the change. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
give them | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
I have a lot of respect for the TL community but this thread looks like a dumbass magnet. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
I watched the games and you played two very passive terran players. They could've pushed out any time. I'll try the build though and see what happens. The fact that you weren't using Chrono Boost on your nexus in the beginning, (ur first CB was actually on ur gateway/robo) means you were actually playing too slow anyway. I'll try the build (if I ever find another Terran player again) and post results. | ||
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
On February 21 2010 06:19 Floophead_III wrote: Are you guys retarded? Seriously. I posted replays already and people here are still HURP DURP IT DOESN'T WORK. I have a lot of respect for the TL community but this thread looks like a dumbass magnet. Yeah, like everyone wrote no posts = no skill. What a nonsense. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
On February 21 2010 06:19 Floophead_III wrote: Are you guys retarded? Seriously. I posted replays already and people here are still HURP DURP IT DOESN'T WORK. I have a lot of respect for the TL community but this thread looks like a dumbass magnet. Woa dude easy on the drama. People disagree with you, no big thing Just keep pwning ppl with your build if it really works that well and lol. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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madcow305
United States152 Posts
You said you faced Marauder pressure builds, and that you won because you got your first Colossus out in time. That's not a Marauder pressure build, that's a Terran mid-game push. Everyone in the thread disagreeing with you is talking about how you deal with Marauders off 2 or more Rax making a timing push against you before your Colossus tech is done, right around the time your Robo has just started building. Stalkers are bad vs. Marauders because Marauders are cost-effective vs. Stalkers. Here are the SC2 Armory links for both: http://www.sc2armory.com/game/terran/units/marauder http://www.sc2armory.com/game/protoss/units/stalker Both are considered Armored units, so both do bonus damage vs. each other. However, per resource point, Marauders do more damage and have more HP than Stalkers. Combining Mineral and Gas cost into one resource, you can see that: Marauders take 125 resources to build. Stalkers take 175 resources to build. Marauders deal 20 damage per shot to Stalkers. That means Marauders deal 0.16 damage per resource point to Stalkers. Stalkers deal 14 damage per shot to Marauders. That means Stalkers deal 0.08 damage per resource point to Marauders. Marauders deal twice as much damage as Stalkers per resource point. They both have the same range, and fire at the same rate. Marauders are twice as cost-effective as Stalkers in offensive damage. Marauders have 125 HP. This means that Marauders have 1 point of HP per resource unit. Stalkers have 80 Shields and 80 HP, for a total of 160 effective HP. This means that Stalkers have roughly 0.9143 points of HP per resource unit. Marauders have slightly more HP per resource unit than Stalkers. They both have the same base armor, and both get the same +1 armor per upgrade. However, +1 armor only affects the HP of a Stalker, not the shields, so an armor-upgraded Marauder will be even stronger against a Stalker with armor upgrades. Marauders also take 30 seconds to build, while a Stalker takes 42 seconds. This means Marauders are more time-efficient than Stalkers as well as being more resource-efficient. Protoss can offset this disadvantage slightly with their Chrono Boost thing, but the Nexus doesn't have infinite energy, and there's still the resource-inefficiency to overcome. I hope with this analysis, you'll see why your build is so weak vs. either extremely early Marauder pressure, with maybe 3-4 Marauders and some Marines harassing you, and also extremely weak against a M&M timing push that is made before your Robo is even finished, much less your Support Bay. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Bad build, just saying. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
I do see the counterargument people have against this. I don't want to sound stubborn, but results are results and until I do lose I have to disagree with what people say. If anyone wants to play vs me to prove me wrong, by all means please do it. It's beta, the whole point is to figure out what works and what doesn't. I just don't like it when people say "it can't work, your build is terrible" when there are contradictory results. Edit: I posted a small rep pack of pvts | ||
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