• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:49
CET 23:49
KST 07:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
Foreign Brood War BW General Discussion MBCGame Torrents [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Which season is the best in ASL?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1471 users

PvT BO that stomps on bio - Page 5

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
February 23 2010 14:09 GMT
#81
On February 23 2010 09:54 Floophead_III wrote:
Alright I did a TON of testing with TorcH and discovered something:

First and foremost, 2 gate stalker is a completely trashy useless build that should never be used because with chrono you can get like 1 less stalk + tech + better eco from 1 gate it's hilarious.

Second and most importantly, the 2 rax m&m push with stim with 3 marauder and 4 marines is very strong vs this BO. I was able to hold it a few times by pulling probes, but he didn't rally. He then played it more aggressive and I couldn't hold it.

HOWEVER, I discovered a viable counter to it. If you believe you are facing a 2 rax push, get an immortal asap (chrono it). You will probably lose a lot of stalkers but you can hold the push with minimal damage. Don't be afraid to still pull about 3-4 probes.

This push is a little too strong right now and I feel like marauders probably should cost 50 gas for how incredibly good they are (1 = a stalker exactly, they will kill each other.) Just scout properly and micro as best you can and adjust the BO to get that fast immortal. You should be able to hold it off and proceed safely to midgame. The downside to this is that T can damage you AND get a faster expo up. The upside is that you have superior tech and can expo immediately afterwards and pressure him with collosus/immortal + stalkers. I was able to contain and easily outmacro after holding off the attack.

I will update as needed on the main page.


That's ironic I open 2 gate stalker + 1 sentry and it seems to work well. I can either get a robo after or get a third gate, then expand and typically I'm fine...

I've been experimenting with the colossus a bit recently (in all matchups) and the unit is a death storm of trouble, but it's very costly. I'm also trying to figure out what the significance of getting an immortal is. I use it but I don't know why I use it.

I'm still not sold on your build, and if you have more reps I'd like to see them when I have the chance to watch.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
P00RKID
Profile Joined December 2009
United States424 Posts
February 23 2010 14:55 GMT
#82
On February 23 2010 22:20 zatic wrote:

So you have finally "discovered" what people have been telling you repeatedly from page 1 on. What exactly is left of your "BO that stomps on bio" when you actually need a different BO (2 gate, sentry / immortal) to even survive against the most easy and basic bio build.
Hardly anything from your original guide is left at this point and what you have there now is pretty much the standard every single P on B.net does against T.

Please do not post another guide until you gained a lot more understanding about this game. A revised set of forum guidelines will be posted soon under which threads like these will be closed in the future.


I actually find this thread and the consecutive updates to the build great. It shows a build, what it stops, what stops it, and ways to adapt the build depending on what you scout.

Adjusting your build based off feedback from the community is a good thing.
"Does your butt hurt? 'cause you fell from heaven once the cast was over?" Artosis
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 15:50:50
February 23 2010 15:45 GMT
#83
On February 23 2010 23:55 P00RKID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 22:20 zatic wrote:
So you have finally "discovered" what people have been telling you repeatedly from page 1 on. What exactly is left of your "BO that stomps on bio" when you actually need a different BO (2 gate, sentry / immortal) to even survive against the most easy and basic bio build.
Hardly anything from your original guide is left at this point and what you have there now is pretty much the standard every single P on B.net does against T.

Please do not post another guide until you gained a lot more understanding about this game. A revised set of forum guidelines will be posted soon under which threads like these will be closed in the future.


I actually find this thread and the consecutive updates to the build great. It shows a build, what it stops, what stops it, and ways to adapt the build depending on what you scout.

Adjusting your build based off feedback from the community is a good thing.

Yes but making a bad thread in the first place where rewriting it based on feedback is needed is not. Also if you look at how he reacted to criticism from pages 1-4 only, brushing it with statements like he never lost against bio bla bla only to "discover" why his build is gets trashed by the most simple bio build. Which he claimed it would "stomp on".

"If you think bio is useful tvp, you are sorely mistaken. "
"This is the counter to all 1 base TvP nonmech builds."
"Wrong wrong wrong. My build works. If you are losing it's because of improper use of chrono = less units/slower coli."
"Well, this build is designed to fight the bio aggression play that is seen by 99% of all terrans."
"I've beaten every single bio opening with this build or a modification of it."
"This build simply has no weaknesses to any 1 base push. It's not a matter of opinion. This is fact."

....

" the 2 rax m&m push with stim with 3 marauder and 4 marines is very strong vs this BO. I was able to hold it a few times by pulling probes, but he didn't rally. He then played it more aggressive and I couldn't hold it."


New Forum Guidelines in effect now. You may take the lessons learned from this thread and create new strategy threads adhering to the new guidelines.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:15
Best Games of SC
Clem vs Solar
Classic vs Cure
Reynor vs Classic
Solar vs Clem
PiGStarcraft615
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft615
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 133
BRAT_OK 75
Free 70
Dota 2
syndereN472
Fuzer 372
capcasts110
Counter-Strike
Foxcn212
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor152
Other Games
tarik_tv8850
Grubby6341
fl0m1898
Mew2King240
Liquid`Hasu213
C9.Mang0178
Livibee43
ZombieGrub30
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 93
• davetesta62
• RyuSc2 40
• musti20045 39
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler109
League of Legends
• Doublelift3841
• HappyZerGling154
Other Games
• imaqtpie1420
• WagamamaTV338
• Shiphtur165
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
4h 11m
CranKy Ducklings
11h 11m
WardiTV 2025
13h 11m
SC Evo League
13h 41m
IPSL
18h 11m
Dewalt vs ZZZero
BSL 21
21h 11m
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
OSC
23h 11m
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
WardiTV 2025
1d 13h
OSC
1d 16h
[ Show More ]
IPSL
1d 18h
Bonyth vs KameZerg
BSL 21
1d 21h
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV 2025
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV 2025
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
WardiTV 2025
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-30
RSL Revival: Season 3
Light HT

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.