• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:25
CEST 08:25
KST 15:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection1Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th92Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double1Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Changing from 12 to 8 is just asking for StarCraft TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue
Brood War
General
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event Soma's ASL Finals Review BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ VPN experiences Every Matchup's Top 5 Winrates (all ASLs & KSLs)
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1610 users

PvT BO that stomps on bio - Page 5

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
February 23 2010 14:09 GMT
#81
On February 23 2010 09:54 Floophead_III wrote:
Alright I did a TON of testing with TorcH and discovered something:

First and foremost, 2 gate stalker is a completely trashy useless build that should never be used because with chrono you can get like 1 less stalk + tech + better eco from 1 gate it's hilarious.

Second and most importantly, the 2 rax m&m push with stim with 3 marauder and 4 marines is very strong vs this BO. I was able to hold it a few times by pulling probes, but he didn't rally. He then played it more aggressive and I couldn't hold it.

HOWEVER, I discovered a viable counter to it. If you believe you are facing a 2 rax push, get an immortal asap (chrono it). You will probably lose a lot of stalkers but you can hold the push with minimal damage. Don't be afraid to still pull about 3-4 probes.

This push is a little too strong right now and I feel like marauders probably should cost 50 gas for how incredibly good they are (1 = a stalker exactly, they will kill each other.) Just scout properly and micro as best you can and adjust the BO to get that fast immortal. You should be able to hold it off and proceed safely to midgame. The downside to this is that T can damage you AND get a faster expo up. The upside is that you have superior tech and can expo immediately afterwards and pressure him with collosus/immortal + stalkers. I was able to contain and easily outmacro after holding off the attack.

I will update as needed on the main page.


That's ironic I open 2 gate stalker + 1 sentry and it seems to work well. I can either get a robo after or get a third gate, then expand and typically I'm fine...

I've been experimenting with the colossus a bit recently (in all matchups) and the unit is a death storm of trouble, but it's very costly. I'm also trying to figure out what the significance of getting an immortal is. I use it but I don't know why I use it.

I'm still not sold on your build, and if you have more reps I'd like to see them when I have the chance to watch.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
P00RKID
Profile Joined December 2009
United States424 Posts
February 23 2010 14:55 GMT
#82
On February 23 2010 22:20 zatic wrote:

So you have finally "discovered" what people have been telling you repeatedly from page 1 on. What exactly is left of your "BO that stomps on bio" when you actually need a different BO (2 gate, sentry / immortal) to even survive against the most easy and basic bio build.
Hardly anything from your original guide is left at this point and what you have there now is pretty much the standard every single P on B.net does against T.

Please do not post another guide until you gained a lot more understanding about this game. A revised set of forum guidelines will be posted soon under which threads like these will be closed in the future.


I actually find this thread and the consecutive updates to the build great. It shows a build, what it stops, what stops it, and ways to adapt the build depending on what you scout.

Adjusting your build based off feedback from the community is a good thing.
"Does your butt hurt? 'cause you fell from heaven once the cast was over?" Artosis
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 15:50:50
February 23 2010 15:45 GMT
#83
On February 23 2010 23:55 P00RKID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 22:20 zatic wrote:
So you have finally "discovered" what people have been telling you repeatedly from page 1 on. What exactly is left of your "BO that stomps on bio" when you actually need a different BO (2 gate, sentry / immortal) to even survive against the most easy and basic bio build.
Hardly anything from your original guide is left at this point and what you have there now is pretty much the standard every single P on B.net does against T.

Please do not post another guide until you gained a lot more understanding about this game. A revised set of forum guidelines will be posted soon under which threads like these will be closed in the future.


I actually find this thread and the consecutive updates to the build great. It shows a build, what it stops, what stops it, and ways to adapt the build depending on what you scout.

Adjusting your build based off feedback from the community is a good thing.

Yes but making a bad thread in the first place where rewriting it based on feedback is needed is not. Also if you look at how he reacted to criticism from pages 1-4 only, brushing it with statements like he never lost against bio bla bla only to "discover" why his build is gets trashed by the most simple bio build. Which he claimed it would "stomp on".

"If you think bio is useful tvp, you are sorely mistaken. "
"This is the counter to all 1 base TvP nonmech builds."
"Wrong wrong wrong. My build works. If you are losing it's because of improper use of chrono = less units/slower coli."
"Well, this build is designed to fight the bio aggression play that is seen by 99% of all terrans."
"I've beaten every single bio opening with this build or a modification of it."
"This build simply has no weaknesses to any 1 base push. It's not a matter of opinion. This is fact."

....

" the 2 rax m&m push with stim with 3 marauder and 4 marines is very strong vs this BO. I was able to hold it a few times by pulling probes, but he didn't rally. He then played it more aggressive and I couldn't hold it."


New Forum Guidelines in effect now. You may take the lessons learned from this thread and create new strategy threads adhering to the new guidelines.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft1072
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 611
firebathero 398
Noble 23
League of Legends
JimRising 773
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1292
Other Games
summit1g4482
C9.Mang0544
PiGStarcraft435
Mew2King90
RuFF_SC252
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL198
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH142
• Response 50
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1158
• Stunt453
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
35m
Lambo vs Rogue
Clem vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Maestros of the Game
6h 35m
SHIN vs Nicoract
Rogue vs Gerald
ByuN vs Shameless
Cure vs TriGGeR
OSC
6h 35m
IPSL
9h 35m
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
12h 35m
Wardi Open
1d 5h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
2 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Murky Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.