It's a nice map though I fail to see how it is a similar idea to Central Protocol. I could see the middle of the map playing similarly, but the main/natural/third layout looks really different.

The_Templar

your Country52797 Posts

February 12 2016 20:11 GMT

#23

On February 13 2016 05:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It's a nice map though I fail to see how it is a similar idea to Central Protocol. I could see the middle of the map playing similarly, but the main/natural/third layout looks really different.

The following is a comprehensive list of similarities between this map and Central Protocol.

4p map
reflective
cool looking bridges
gold bases in center

It's an OK map, although I think there are plenty of much better maps blizzard should be considering (including some by Avex).

Coypirus

119 Posts

February 12 2016 20:18 GMT

#24

Holy shit. This map is just asking for air abuse to win games. Literally rushing stargate will get there faster than a proxy close air spawns. wtf

Fatam

1986 Posts

February 12 2016 21:10 GMT

#25

On February 13 2016 05:11 The_Templar wrote:

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The following is a comprehensive list of similarities between this map and Central Protocol.

4p map
reflective
cool looking bridges
gold bases in center

It's an OK map, although I think there are plenty of much better maps blizzard should be considering (including some by Avex).

Yeah I was surprised too, I like a lot of avex maps but this wouldn't have been the one amongst them I would have chosen. Nonetheless it's an interesting map and it would be better than a lot of stuff we have so I have no real qualms. and grats if it does make ladder!

MCThiaz

9 Posts

February 13 2016 00:12 GMT

#26

The third is soooo far, i like the design tho.

Xenotolerance

United States464 Posts

February 13 2016 06:11 GMT

#27

I have to say I'm utterfly baffled by Blizzard here. As Templar says it's not actually that much like Central Protocol. Plus, if they're willing to replace their maps with community maps that sort of resemble their own, they really should just have seven community maps. I really don't get what their decision making process could even be.

That said I really like this map and hope it does go through! super hype

Avexyli

United States694 Posts

February 13 2016 06:17 GMT

#28

So after staring at it in the editor, I think I figured out what Blizzard was talking about, if anyone from Blizz wants to comment they can feel free to:

Central Protocol's idea was to have a natural nearby the main, but at a sort-of awkward distance to create some difficulty in defense, as well as a path blocked by a rock, leading directly to the main. Further, the third is meant to be more difficult to take and much more forward from the main and natural, rather than in a standard means of expanding.

I feel like when Blizz saw Invader, they saw that instead of having a backdoor rock and ramp into the main, I have a path that splits the third and natural that goes both into the single choke ramp towards the main, as well as the path to the natural. The third is still far away, but in a reasonable position to where it's not ridiculously hard to defend, but difficult enough.

Salteador Neo

Andorra5591 Posts

March 12 2016 11:44 GMT

#29

I agree with Plexa about the center of the map looking a bit awkward and not holding much strategic value. Still a nice map tho ofc :D

GJ and congrats!

Edit: Oh also agreed on the third expo being "the spark" about this map.

deymos

35 Posts

March 12 2016 15:35 GMT

#30

Congrats!
But honestly in my opinion You have done a lot of better maps

civi

Norway24 Posts

March 12 2016 17:21 GMT

#31

I don't understand why this map is no cross position. I think that cross is the only spawn location that can create nice and normal macrogames on this map. Can't say i'm a fan of the close air distances and a weirdly placed third. The map aesthetics looks great tho.

Avexyli

United States694 Posts

March 12 2016 20:21 GMT

#32

On March 13 2016 00:35 deymos wrote:
Congrats!
But honestly in my opinion You have done a lot of better maps

I agree.

On March 13 2016 02:21 civi wrote:
I don't understand why this map is no cross position. I think that cross is the only spawn location that can create nice and normal macrogames on this map. Can't say i'm a fan of the close air distances and a weirdly placed third. The map aesthetics looks great tho.

Blizzard isn't too interested in really long macro games, and the distances between cross were ridiculously long.

Fatam

1986 Posts

March 12 2016 20:28 GMT

#33

cross would probably be RIP terran

OT edit: although, I think a map that has different possible spawns for different matchups would be cool in the future, if Blizz or any tourneys would ever allow it.

For example if it was this map, if the matchup was TvZ or TvP then cross would be disabled, but TvT and all the other MUs it could be enabled. There's other maps that could use this to greater effect, I think, but it's easy to use this as an example.

Avexyli

United States694 Posts

March 19 2016 06:36 GMT

#34

On March 13 2016 05:28 Fatam wrote:
cross would probably be RIP terran

OT edit: although, I think a map that has different possible spawns for different matchups would be cool in the future, if Blizz or any tourneys would ever allow it.

For example if it was this map, if the matchup was TvZ or TvP then cross would be disabled, but TvT and all the other MUs it could be enabled. There's other maps that could use this to greater effect, I think, but it's easy to use this as an example.

Yeah I really wish we could do a per-matchup spawn setup, but I think that'd be complicated to display.

Ve5pa

United Kingdom252 Posts

March 19 2016 18:14 GMT

#35

I really like the aesthetic of this map, a lot more than central protcol xD

Avexyli

United States694 Posts

March 28 2016 17:33 GMT

#36

For those wondering, the differences between the live version and my version:

The highground above the 3/6/9/12 bases have been blocked off.
Anti-Fly zones have been added in the same spots, as well as around the map for taller structures.
Fancy light bridges removed (choke remains the same)
Curtain/Fog of War blockers around XNTs were removed.
XNT Towers moved partially north for the southern side.
Unbuildable Plates partially moved towards the center of the map.
Most of the bases adjusted, no real major impact, just made more standard.
Quite a bit of detail removed or adjusted, for visibility or optimization (most changes were outside playable area)
Blizz fixed my ground trim (thanks <3) at highground bases.
The recolored rock texture is used as a slightly transaprent path around the map