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Phaenoman
Profile Joined February 2013
568 Posts
December 31 2014 10:34 GMT
#21
I have to agree with Meerel here to a certain extend. Like a lot of other praised maps, this is very poorly done in terms of creativity and execution. Lotsa ppl here look at the creator's name rather than the work itself, including blizzard. That's a shame.
Random is hard work dude...
Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
December 31 2014 11:06 GMT
#22
On December 31 2014 19:33 Arceus wrote:
New Code S map? This means the GSL wont follow the standard pool anymore aka reverting back to having exclusive map(s)? You guys should cheer to this wonderful news instead of judging the quality (which is still way better than, say, Inferno Pools)


It's not completely terrible, and at least it's a different map in whats going to be all ladder pool tournaments again.
for that reason I won't put to much criticism on it.

the only problems with this map is that it's a better deadwing, in a map pool that still has deadwing

On December 31 2014 19:34 Phaenoman wrote:
I have to agree with Meerel here to a certain extend. Like a lot of other praised maps, this is very poorly done in terms of creativity and execution. Lotsa ppl here look at the creator's name rather than the work itself, including blizzard. That's a shame.


I think a bigger problem is how gom seems to be just randomly taking in korean maps without much thought.
"Not you."
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 31 2014 11:28 GMT
#23
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 12:03:26
December 31 2014 11:54 GMT
#24
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps


The thing is that on the custom maps section of teamliquid.net, all the regular posters were praising Foxtrot while hating on DeadWing and having mixed feelings about Nimbus and Catallena. However we were vastly outnumbered during the TLMC by those who never opened the map editor and voted for a map just because the textures looked cool or it was a 3p map or "lmao 20 bases, I love me some more bases. DAE Alterzim stronghold ? xDD"
Sure foreign map aren't auto awesome but "our" TLMC and other map making contests are open to koreans while we can't even try to get our maps in the GSL (and let's not talk about trying to get them into Pro League)

"Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps"
This sentence would be true if you posted it on the "New WCS 2015 Season 1 maps" thread in the Sc2 general forum or on reddit.
rly ?
Phaenoman
Profile Joined February 2013
568 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 12:05:32
December 31 2014 12:04 GMT
#25
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps


No, u are absolutely correct. And unfortunately that's our main issue with all those maps and ppl/ blizzard judging.
Random is hard work dude...
Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
December 31 2014 12:07 GMT
#26
On December 31 2014 20:54 algue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps


The thing is that on the custom maps section of teamliquid.net, all the regular posters were praising Foxtrot while hating on DeadWing and having mixed feelings about Nimbus and Catallena. However we were vastly outnumbered during the TLMC by those who never opened the map editor and voted for a map just because the textures looked cool or it was a 3p map or "lmao 20 bases, I love me some more bases. DAE Alterzim stornghold ? xDD"

Sure foreign map aren't auto awesome but "our" TLMC and other map making contests are open to koreans while we can't even try to get our maps in the GSL (and let's not talk about trying to get them into Pro League)


as algue said, the foreign mapmaking scene isn't anything like what you say, there is an insane communication gap between the ones that make maps and the ones that play them.

the last TLMC was almost to be considered a joke.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 31 2014 14:58 GMT
#27
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps

There are tons of really good foreign maps, but the wrong ones are usually picked ;;
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 31 2014 16:14 GMT
#28
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps


Even as someone who doesn't browse the map forums often, I really really like Foxtrot and don't like Deadwing at all. At least of a casual low level player like me, I don't understand the mentality of wanting to play the same thing over and over again. Might as well just play a MOBA if you want only one map

For pros its a bit different, because they need to have near perfect understanding of a map nearly instantly or they're career suffers, but at the lower level I'm into trying new things. Not bad maps, but different ones.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 31 2014 22:02 GMT
#29
On January 01 2015 01:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps


Even as someone who doesn't browse the map forums often, I really really like Foxtrot and don't like Deadwing at all. At least of a casual low level player like me, I don't understand the mentality of wanting to play the same thing over and over again. Might as well just play a MOBA if you want only one map

For pros its a bit different, because they need to have near perfect understanding of a map nearly instantly or they're career suffers, but at the lower level I'm into trying new things. Not bad maps, but different ones.

Honestly, I think this is the wrong attitude. They should be able to put in time into understanding completely how a map works and, by doing so, gain a slight advantage. Although I don't believe that one should be required to completely relearn strategy to play a map too often (see (Wiki)Monty Hall).
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 31 2014 22:04 GMT
#30
I agree Templar, but from a pros perspective that's a waste of time I think.
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
January 01 2015 01:22 GMT
#31
Name sucks, what does the horde logo have to do with the map as well?
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10483 Posts
January 01 2015 02:16 GMT
#32
On January 01 2015 07:02 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 01:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On December 31 2014 20:28 Arceus wrote:
Sure Korean maps are not always auto-awesome, but are foreign representatives aka Deadwing, Nimbus, Catallena, any better though? Same free n easy bases everywhere + huge huge layout recipe. Meanwhile the remotely different map in Foxtrot is despised and vetoed everywhere. Vote results of TLMC said everything:you guys just simply dont like interesting maps


Even as someone who doesn't browse the map forums often, I really really like Foxtrot and don't like Deadwing at all. At least of a casual low level player like me, I don't understand the mentality of wanting to play the same thing over and over again. Might as well just play a MOBA if you want only one map

For pros its a bit different, because they need to have near perfect understanding of a map nearly instantly or they're career suffers, but at the lower level I'm into trying new things. Not bad maps, but different ones.

Honestly, I think this is the wrong attitude. They should be able to put in time into understanding completely how a map works and, by doing so, gain a slight advantage. Although I don't believe that one should be required to completely relearn strategy to play a map too often (see (Wiki)Monty Hall).

hey man dont hate on monty hall. that map was the shit. legit best map ever for cheesing.
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IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
January 01 2015 14:31 GMT
#33
I sent some suggestions to ATTx on skype , not sure if he did read them though. Anyway , tried some basic texturing in 1hour , map looks already pretty. If you people like it i might finish it and send the file to the creator.
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IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-01 20:48:08
January 01 2015 19:46 GMT
#34
Natural and third's vespene geysers are all wrongly placed.
EDIT : I updated lighting , ingame looks amazing.

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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 01 2015 19:55 GMT
#35
Fuck, it looks way better already! Good job dude.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 01 2015 21:25 GMT
#36
Now that's some awesome aesthetics
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ATTx
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)178 Posts
January 02 2015 03:02 GMT
#37
hahaha

good design lol

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Timetwister22
Profile Joined March 2011
United States538 Posts
January 02 2015 03:50 GMT
#38
Very nice Iezael. Simple but clean and pretty.
Former ESV Mapmaker | @Timetwister22
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
January 02 2015 04:38 GMT
#39
On January 02 2015 12:02 ATTx wrote:
hahaha

good design lol


Would you be able to get iezael's version used as the official GSL map? No offense but I think it looks a lot better than the original.
vibeo gane,
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 05:35:53
January 02 2015 05:34 GMT
#40
I'm sorry, but if they are going to do the whole "equal" distance 3rds, I'd rather them just bring Whirlwind back. Congrats on getting in the GSL map pool, but unfortunately I just don't really like this map at all. :\

The layout overall is pretty boring. The Back paths by the 3rds aren't that interesting and the middle is boring.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
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