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(2) Crux Wolfschanze
Created by Ovalient
Published KR
Playable 144 x 124
[M] (2) Wolfschanze
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Ovalient
Korea (South)64 Posts
FFE + Show Spoiler + (2) Crux Wolfschanze Created by Ovalient Published KR Playable 144 x 124 | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + just move the gateway over really like how the middle is laid out. | ||
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Fatam
1986 Posts
 Map is nothing new, but a really good variant on a standard layout. edit: i kind of agree w/ gfire though, it really could use a couple chokes (anywhere) | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
What about something new? Like Nigh desert? Or ocean around? | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
Map seems kinda basic to me. All 3x ramps is kinda dull. You just walk wherever you want and there aren't any strong control points or really out of the way places. On April 14 2013 07:27 Fatam wrote: I think "Wolf's Lair" would have been a cooler name than Wolfschanze, but w/e Map is nothing new, but a really good variant on a standard layout."Wolf's Hair" would be a better map name imo. | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
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Timetwister22
United States538 Posts
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Fatam
1986 Posts
Shut up guys have you even seen that texturing?? is so BW-ish i love it! the map is really clean just like a real desert, Well, I think the aesthetics are a bit lazy. You can tell the texturing took a little time, and it's good, but then the doodads are pretty sparse and there's literally nothing on the low unpathable areas / outside areas, just plain land with light blue fog, which imo is a big no-no unless you make the fog thick enough that you can't see the ground. He should definitely add in some stuff. | ||
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Ovalient
Korea (South)64 Posts
These days, I realize I'm losing my sense of 1vs1 map. So I'd like to make 1vs1 map from the very beginning. I hope you consider this side | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Cool map | ||
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Meerel
Germany713 Posts
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Fatam
1986 Posts
About the texturing..... i have no hope for you fatam... stay jealous :b haha what? i said the texturing was good :p | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On April 14 2013 08:07 Ovalient wrote: Well.. If you see Daybreak in this map, I can't Say any explanations... These days, I realize I'm losing my sense of 1vs1 map. So I'd like to make 1vs1 map from the very beginning. I hope you consider this side the 4 bases on the side are like daybreak. and the middle is rocked and angle too. but i like the layout of the other 4 bases. | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
Oh when i read your post i messed the words up, i read that the texturing was lazy. Whoops! | ||
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ScorpSCII
Denmark499 Posts
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wrl
United States209 Posts
Edit: The map is perfectly fine the way white bread is perfectly fine. We like white bread, but we already have white bread, can we get something else instead? | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
If you really want to use a name of that time sth like El Alamain would be (accordingly to the theme) more fitting ... | ||
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eTcetRa
Australia822 Posts
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
But in good news, this is one of the best versions of BW desert tileset done in SC2 I think I've seen so far. And for the name I recommend Wüstenfuchs (Desert Fox) instead. | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 14 2013 17:07 dezi wrote: I don't think we need nazi reminiscence in this game - aka change the name - esp. if using names that are most likely associated with Hitler. quoted, because I would have written something similar | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
On April 14 2013 20:21 Big J wrote: quoted, because I would have written something similar Finally a shared opinion | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On April 14 2013 17:48 Superouman wrote: Nevermind, i didn't understand the meaning of the map name. I think it's something like 'Steep Edge of the Wolf' or 'Wolf Entrenchement'. We have a similar word in Dutch, but I don't know the exact translation. Google says it's entrenchement, but I tend to disagree with that translation. It's more like a lair I think | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf's_Lair Addition to understand the name origin: Although the standard name in English for Wolfsschanze is "Wolf's Lair", the German name does not actually mean this. Schanze is a term from military engineering and is best translated as "fortification" or "sconce". Kinda agree that there is no need to draw that association to WW2. Blizzard made an awesome lore to use and get names from. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
I'm not a huge fan of the layout as as people have said it's fairly generic, but I do prefer it to Daybreak tleast since the third isn't right on top of the nat. This map personally reminds me a heck of a lot of Match Point which was my favourite map. | ||
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Caviar
70 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On April 14 2013 17:01 wrl wrote: For the love of god, stop poisoning map making. This garbage has become the Michael Bay of maps. Generic in every way, with all the bells and whistles we've come to expect. I don't care if the metagame plays out a bit differently, can we start doing things a little differently? Edit: The map is perfectly fine the way white bread is perfectly fine. We like white bread, but we already have white bread, can we get something else instead? Chill out, dude. Standard maps are the way they are for a reason, and they aren't going anywhere. I don't see anything wrong with getting different takes on standard maps every now and then. If we have to have standard maps in our map pools, and face it, we do, I'd rather get a new map than use Daybreak for eternity. So yeah, tone down the trash talk. The white bread analogy isn't something I'd have gone for either. | ||
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On April 14 2013 20:21 Big J wrote: quoted, because I would have written something similar OGS Penis would be nothing compared. | ||
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FlyingBeer
United States262 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407242 | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
I'll admit that concept is maybe a bit overused in Crux, but it's done well on this map nonetheless. | ||
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monitor
United States2404 Posts
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On April 15 2013 03:45 FlyingBeer wrote: Be careful about Nazi references in your maps. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407242 On April 14 2013 21:57 bluQ wrote: Wolf's Lair (German: Wolfsschanze) was Adolf Hitler's first Eastern Front military headquarters in World War II. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf's_Lair Addition to understand the name origin: Although the standard name in English for Wolfsschanze is "Wolf's Lair", the German name does not actually mean this. Schanze is a term from military engineering and is best translated as "fortification" or "sconce". Kinda agree that there is no need to draw that association to WW2. Blizzard made an awesome lore to use and get names from. You should probably just change the name of the map. I also don't think it's a good idea to make a WW2 reference in SC2. Why don't you just go for Wolf Ridge? Easy fix :D | ||
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
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Ovalient
Korea (South)64 Posts
On April 14 2013 17:07 dezi wrote: I don't think we need nazi reminiscence in this game - aka change the name - esp. if using names that are most likely associated with Hitler. If you really want to use a name of that time sth like El Alamain would be (accordingly to the theme) more fitting ... I'm really sorry that I made all arguments.. I didn't know about that name, just know 'cool name' My WW2 Historical knowledge is limited. Only know Attack on Pearl Harbor thing.. Sorry everybody. I will never do this thing again. REALLY SORRY. | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On April 15 2013 11:23 Ovalient wrote: I'm really sorry that I made all arguments.. I didn't know about that name, just know 'cool name' My WW2 Historical knowledge is limited. Only know Attack on Pearl Harbor thing.. Sorry everybody. I will never do this thing again. REALLY SORRY. Don't feel too bad, Ovalient! Nobody is angry with you. Just take some time to think of a different cool map name~ | ||
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KingCorwin
United States134 Posts
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:58 iamcaustic wrote: Don't feel too bad, Ovalient! Nobody is angry with you. Just take some time to think of a different cool map name~seconded. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
seconded-ed | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
On April 16 2013 08:23 Uvantak wrote: You have a really good eye lore, now i can't unsee it ~.~ Mua ha ha ha....... | ||
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
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nemonic
132 Posts
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PuppyPrime
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cythaze
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
After the swastika-broodwar-map clone, this one is now another step towards a very terfifying German "newspaper" report about SCII. Harher tone and therefore spoilered: + Show Spoiler + Give this map such a nickname is like glorifying the "cultural" heritage of one of the darkest eras of humanity. Even if you can't relate to what happened here (where I live) during that time, think about what such a name would cause. I don't really care if your map gets neglected/banned from every possible tournament or the blizzard arcade itself - No, I'd rather appreciate that. But I don't want such a stupidly named map to pave the way for dumber ones. To help you finding a better name, here are some of my ideas: *) Bel'Ovaliant is a bad and uncreative mapmaker who has to raise attention for his bad map by giving it horrendous names'-beach *) Shaku'Really, Ovaliant, think before using such terms'-plateau *) Steps of "Whatever dude, your map is bad anyways and will be forgotten soon, bye" edit: On April 16 2013 20:30 cythaze wrote: Probably tournament organizers would even add it BECAUSE of the name as it would cause attention and generate viewers from the german community.... Yes, because people watching tournaments because of a map with such a name is exactly, what the SC2 scene needs. I really always wanted to see GSL fans throwing trash-cans and beer bottles at the Korean police after every GSL tournament day. | ||
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cythaze
830 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:51 Prugelhugel wrote: Are you serious? After the swastika-broodwar-map clone, this one is now another step towards a very terfifying German "newspaper" report about SCII. Harher tone and therefore spoilered: + Show Spoiler + Give this map such a nickname is like glorifying the "cultural" heritage of one of the darkest eras of humanity. Even if you can't relate to what happened here (where I live) during that time, think about what such a name would cause. I don't really care if your map gets neglected/banned from every possible tournament or the blizzard arcade itself - No, I'd rather appreciate that. But I don't want such a stupidly named map to pave the way for dumber ones. To help you finding a better name, here are some of my ideas: *) Bel'Ovaliant is a bad and uncreative mapmaker who has to raise attention for his bad map by giving it horrendous names'-beach *) Shaku'Really, Ovaliant, think before using such terms'-plateau *) Steps of "Whatever dude, your map is bad anyways and will be forgotten soon, bye" edit: Yes, because people watching tournaments because of a map with such a name is exactly, what the SC2 scene needs. I really always wanted to see GSL fans throwing trash-cans and beer bottles at the Korean police after every GSL tournament day. Ok, where in Austria do you exactly live where people are offended by a computer game map that´s called Wolfsschanze... Giving a map that name would cause nothing not a big political uproar and riots in the street lol. | ||
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blarkh
Austria72 Posts
edit: Are you trying to insult us Germans and Austrians by implying we're all Nazis anyways or are you just ignorant enough to believe we don't care deeply about these things? | ||
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Eiskaffee
Germany31 Posts
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Corak
Germany187 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:25 PuppyPrime wrote: Bullshit! Unless its called D-Day or something no German cares. Its not called "Heil Hitler" Idiots, so no need of a Namechange! On April 16 2013 20:30 cythaze wrote: Probably tournament organizers would even add it BECAUSE of the name as it would cause attention and generate viewers from the german community.... Troll much? But it's rather stupid to do so on a serious subject and after there are 2.5 pages mainly about the title and an apology from the mapper. If you want German words that maybe sound good to non-Germans here are some suggestion that kinda fit the map: + Show Spoiler + Sandsturm - dust storm Hitzeschild - heat shield Wassermangel - water deficiency Trockenzeit - dry season Bodenverlust - loss in soil this is harder than i thought :/ | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
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Jaiden
Germany60 Posts
And it would be pretty much unspeakable for non-germans | ||
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Syphon8
Canada298 Posts
On April 15 2013 23:43 Laserist wrote: Please don't make wide wide open neutrals anymore. There is a race called protoss guys, which couldn't have depots to rise... Other than that 2 base baneling bust with ling support would win majority of the games on that map. Pretty zerg favored. In what world is this a wide open nat? A suitable successor to Daybreak, all in all. Fixes a lot of flaws, uses space better. Not a fan of the aesthetics, but who cares? There should be more space at the 4ths. | ||
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