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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
@Ninja : looks better. It still feels a bit chokey to me but it would have to be tested to see if it's my tendency to like very open maps or not. @Jared : That's a... bold design, to say the least. @Berstuk : cardinal ramps are usually considered bad because they're harder to see than angled ramps. Depending on your tileset/aesthetics style that might be a non-issue or a big issue. | ||
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NinjaDuckBob
184 Posts
I will note something about cardinal ramps, they also make walls weird. | ||
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TheSkunk
82 Posts
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
On February 03 2015 02:33 TheSkunk wrote: Antares777: No idea how it looks in game, but that map (visually) looks stunning from that overview pic. Love it. Do you expect Zergs to bust down the rocks to take a third? It might take them too long to spread creep if you expect them to take the other one. They are both two tumors away from the natural, though the low ground one is slightly closer. | ||
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And G
Germany491 Posts
![[image loading]](http://abload.de/img/standy_07b1200oerky.png) Good enough for TLMC? | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
Air play looks really strong. There's one island, and five mineral lines are exposed. I also think that three high yield expansions is too many, but I suppose it could be done correctly. Here it isn't that bad, but having one of them being a semi-island is a problem. In this particular map, that central high yield expansion should be removed. It is a win-more expansion; basically if you can hold that expansion, you've already won. | ||
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NinjaDuckBob
184 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qqTYIVw.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y63ipiA.png) | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
 , but I still want to submit something for Mapximum and Spaceship Station might be too large for them.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e7EtPF3.png) The rocks outside the natural expansion prevent medium/large units from going through that ramp, so you can take the gold early but to defend it properly you have to break the rocks. You can hide a 3x3 building in the smoke at the main to allow for hidden tech. Aesthetics as well as design are WIP. Size is 144^2. | ||
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Xenotolerance
United States464 Posts
Overall it's probs a hard map to get a couple expansions on, even though it's got 14 bases and rush looks pretty long | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
Maybe a rock tower there instead? Or just rocks on the ramp? If we weren't still in the melee requirements stone age, I'd say this is a perfect opportunity for a "slow area" like a marsh or sludgepit in that spot.@ninjaduck: That 3rd base looks pretty hard imo. Is that intended? | ||
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NinjaDuckBob
184 Posts
For which race? The intent was for it to be extra accessible and high-ground in exchange for being open (opening of Natural leads straight into the entrance), while the 4th base is a farther away alternative but with an easily defended entrance until the center rocks are taken down (or the rocks on the 8/10 base ramps for the backdoor to it). Naturally, Zerg will probably take the high-ground base due to it being closer and open. I'm thinking army placement between the large ramp of the high-ground base and the entrance to the low-ground base would help defend both at a slightly later stage of the game. I still want good positioning and strategic decisions to play a role, though, so I added alternate attack paths and expansion paths to allow versatility in playstyles -- choosing which angle(s) to attack from, expanding passively or aggressively, choosing which areas to defend, which rocks to open up, etc. Do you think it would benefit from rocks at the large ramp? I thought about it but was hesitant to do so as there wouldn't really be any drawback to taking that base over the other one. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On February 03 2015 12:25 EatThePath wrote: @templar: Colossus can walk through 1x1 tiles / cliffs, so I'm not sure the rocks are working how you want in all situations. Maybe a rock tower there instead? Or just rocks on the ramp? If we weren't still in the melee requirements stone age, I'd say this is a perfect opportunity for a "slow area" like a marsh or sludgepit in that spot.Colossi can walk over the cliffs anyway The point of the rocks is just to make it a lot harder to get units there to defend if you do take it. | ||
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NinjaDuckBob
184 Posts
What if you made the ramp from the area outside of the natural into the Gold wider, and then put rocks on that? Might look a little bit neater, I don't know if you had a reason for not doing it, though. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:02 NinjaDuckBob wrote: @The_Templar, What if you made the ramp from the area outside of the natural into the Gold wider, and then put rocks on that? Might look a little bit neater, I don't know if you had a reason for not doing it, though. This is so you don't have to break the rocks to take the gold, but it helps to do so (and it's still not a viable attack path until the rocks are broken). | ||
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NinjaDuckBob
184 Posts
On February 03 2015 13:12 The_Templar wrote: This is so you don't have to break the rocks to take the gold, but it helps to do so (and it's still not a viable attack path until the rocks are broken). Sorry, I don't think I communicated well in my post. I meant making the ramp big enough to hold the rocks and still have a little bit left over so it's still accessible by a narrow choke, so partially walled by rocks but not completely. That might be redundant with the already small ramp into it, though. However, speaking of which, could the small ramp accomplish the same goal as the narrow path with the rocks on it? And if so, would breaking the rocks actually make it easier to defend? If that was the case, maybe widening the ramp leftwards might help a larger army get into it to defend while still leaving the rocks-choke for earlier in the game, if you didn't want to put rocks on a larger ramp and leave a choke as I first mentioned. I don't have a ton of mapmaking experience, though, so I could be missing something. | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GuXwrFP.jpg) 124 x 140 Thoughts? | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Breaking the rocks makes it much easier to get units there to defend. Right now they have to filter through very slowly, and most units can't even fit. I'll mess around with it a bit more. @Antares Looks really, really difficult to expand. For non-zerg the gold base looks almost easier. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
@templar: I like the rocks as-is, don't get me wrong. It just seems like not much of an impediment to a protoss gold 3rd while it might hamper zerg and terran a little. It might be more effective to have a long narrow hallway, even a permanent one. I think the gold would still be at the edge of viable but the dynamic would be that much more apparent. @antares: I like it. Is the gold base droppable? It looks too strong as a forward expansion to jump off and attack the default 3rd/4th base of the opposing player. | ||
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JaredStarr
Canada115 Posts
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TheSkunk
82 Posts
1. Play testers of every race were enthusiastic about the old position and wanted me to change it back. 2. Additional changes and continued testing has still failed to turn up anything abusive or overpowered, despite how scary the idea seems at first. I know that will be an unpopular change with some here, but most players seem to really like it and I'm pretty confident it can work out. Album of Images: http://imgur.com/a/MNyQb ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qWg7JFL.jpg) In addition to layout criticisms, does anyone feel the map needs more visual work? Does it feel ugly or bland? Thanks for all the feedback! | ||
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