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Charby
Profile Joined April 2011
France7 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 18:01:09
August 14 2011 17:05 GMT
#121
This is realy a good map, but you shoundt get negative points for not building scvs if you already have 75.
A restart Option and more maps would be nice.
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
August 15 2011 18:54 GMT
#122
I'm having my husband to play on this map - and I really think the coaching tips would be better written as if a player communicated with you - that area hits your eyes more than the top of the screen. Realistically, people who are only learning the ropes of the game do not have the luxury of time to stare at the top of their screen for a lot of text, even if the tips are valuable, so they'll miss a lot of this stuff - they barely keep up with their mineral count/supply.
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
August 15 2011 19:15 GMT
#123
hehe true, i was apparently making many mistakes, and even more when trying to keep up with al the messages. at some point i only reacted to the pinging on the minimap
Map of the Month | The Planetary Workshop | SC2Melee.net
DFarce
Profile Joined July 2010
55 Posts
August 18 2011 13:25 GMT
#124
I would like an offline version of this map such that I can play it when I'm in transit, etc. Any chance of that happening?
kainelor
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom14 Posts
August 22 2011 11:30 GMT
#125
wow wow!
this has to be the best thing since sliced bread!!!! :D bloody amazing will be using this along with multitask trainer................ look out world the swarm is coming!!
if at first you don't succeed.... you aint chuck norris!!!!
noggster
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden37 Posts
August 22 2011 13:56 GMT
#126
The Zerg Coach is relentless. Getting fully saturated on two bases it's normal to start ling production to stop the agression that's coming. But apparently that makes you "all-in" and adds like 100 points to your score. And a basillion more for not droning.
I had 3 queens, two for injecting and one for creap spread, the one spreading creap gave me points when my third went up. It's asking me to scout my opponents fourth when i got the third and gold scouted, seems kinda harsh.

I'm a masters and got Gold rank, which I found kinda funny. The best part was that I was actually playing vs another human, I thought it was the AI and wondered why the AI used such a wierd 1 base stargate build. After the game ended I saw in the score screen that instead of Computer it had a name. Mind Blown.
When life gives you lemons, say fuck the lemons and bail.
BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
August 22 2011 14:12 GMT
#127
I'm pretty sure that's the entire point of it. Anyone can macro PERFECTLY for 5 minutes. Most people can do quite well for 10 minutes, it's the long games that really show just how good your mechanics are. IMO, if you're getting low league results in long games you need to work on your game more.

Sure, but then you're only confirming that it doesn't make sense to give someone a diamond rating when he macro's perfectly for 5 minutes while giving someone that macro's near perfectly for 30 minutes a gold rating considering the first one is way, way easier to do.
aaN
Profile Joined September 2010
11 Posts
August 22 2011 15:36 GMT
#128
Awesome map! Keep making other maps too, please
Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
August 22 2011 18:05 GMT
#129
On August 22 2011 22:56 noggster wrote:
The Zerg Coach is relentless. Getting fully saturated on two bases it's normal to start ling production to stop the agression that's coming. But apparently that makes you "all-in" and adds like 100 points to your score. And a basillion more for not droning.
I had 3 queens, two for injecting and one for creap spread, the one spreading creap gave me points when my third went up. It's asking me to scout my opponents fourth when i got the third and gold scouted, seems kinda harsh.


Yeah, that's why it's only in beta, parameters aren't adjusted well enough

However please note that going "all-in" does not increase your score. Not droning neither. It's the combination of being all-in and resuming droning too quickly that is sanctionned. Unfortunately Zerg mechanics ( switching between making drones and making units ) make it hard to stay on a low score. I'm studying various solutions but all ideas are welcome..
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
August 23 2011 11:18 GMT
#130
Doesn't recognise me leaving 1 drone on gas on purpose. I go for Ling speed and leave 1 drone on Gas to get my Lair at a decent timing. this is a part of my build, so I shouldn't be getting 'error' for it.

Also, I send a suicide Ling to the opponents' natural, got denied by Marines, but I know the CC is there. I still get the message of me NEEDING to scout, while I just did and I know there's nothing new to gain.
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
August 23 2011 11:21 GMT
#131
On August 23 2011 03:05 Nyast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 22:56 noggster wrote:
The Zerg Coach is relentless. Getting fully saturated on two bases it's normal to start ling production to stop the agression that's coming. But apparently that makes you "all-in" and adds like 100 points to your score. And a basillion more for not droning.
I had 3 queens, two for injecting and one for creap spread, the one spreading creap gave me points when my third went up. It's asking me to scout my opponents fourth when i got the third and gold scouted, seems kinda harsh.


Yeah, that's why it's only in beta, parameters aren't adjusted well enough

However please note that going "all-in" does not increase your score. Not droning neither. It's the combination of being all-in and resuming droning too quickly that is sanctionned. Unfortunately Zerg mechanics ( switching between making drones and making units ) make it hard to stay on a low score. I'm studying various solutions but all ideas are welcome..

So, when the Coach says I'm Platinum mode, but I know at least 200 points come of 'flaws' in the Coach AI, what does that mean?

Next to all the bashing, I should also tell you I LOVE this Coach AI. It showed me how much I actually suck and I'm going to fucking beat it very soon ! Thank you for all the effort you put in!
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
August 23 2011 12:46 GMT
#132
Hm, something's up with the Zerg opponent AI, I rolled Terran for a change and when I got to his base with a good dozen of hellions and marines, it had made 3 hatcheries. In the main.
staples2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States216 Posts
August 23 2011 13:36 GMT
#133
pretty good idea for the lower level casual players that want to improve and need some prodding to find and then fix their errors (that would be me)
Air Force Mission: Kill people and break their shit
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
August 23 2011 15:30 GMT
#134
Going Extractor Trick costs you 80 points!?
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
hypnoxide
Profile Joined August 2011
240 Posts
August 23 2011 19:06 GMT
#135
Maybe you could implement a YABOT style build order queue so we don't have to learn builds and macro separate?
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Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
August 24 2011 09:06 GMT
#136
On August 23 2011 21:46 Dagobert wrote:
Hm, something's up with the Zerg opponent AI, I rolled Terran for a change and when I got to his base with a good dozen of hellions and marines, it had made 3 hatcheries. In the main.


You played in insane mode I suppose ? It uses some kind of weird build that assumed x2 resources, but I removed extra resources from the opponent's AI so it's messed up. I'll remove that build in the next version.
DonkeyShot
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany63 Posts
August 24 2011 14:18 GMT
#137
You're a true boss. This is great!
IamZieK
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada162 Posts
August 24 2011 22:57 GMT
#138
I got gold level macro.......... how is that possible lol my zerg macro is stupid good
IamZieK
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada162 Posts
August 24 2011 22:59 GMT
#139
On August 22 2011 22:56 noggster wrote:
The Zerg Coach is relentless. Getting fully saturated on two bases it's normal to start ling production to stop the agression that's coming. But apparently that makes you "all-in" and adds like 100 points to your score. And a basillion more for not droning.
I had 3 queens, two for injecting and one for creap spread, the one spreading creap gave me points when my third went up. It's asking me to scout my opponents fourth when i got the third and gold scouted, seems kinda harsh.

I'm a masters and got Gold rank, which I found kinda funny. The best part was that I was actually playing vs another human, I thought it was the AI and wondered why the AI used such a wierd 1 base stargate build. After the game ended I saw in the score screen that instead of Computer it had a name. Mind Blown.


I lost points for not placing an overlord over the opponents third and nt when I just killed his natural lol
Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
August 25 2011 20:52 GMT
#140
I'm playing ZvT and T AI did something very strange. At 7:50 he sent all of his SCVs to attack my base and didn't send any of his marines/marauders. With his economy in shambles, I would have been able to crush him. Since the rest of the game was rather pointless, I just quit. Here's the replay:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fns6vb
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