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MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
April 17 2008 16:34 GMT
#41
On April 16 2008 09:24 ATeddyBear wrote:
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If that emoticon gets popular on this forum I will kill you.
Nak Allstar.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
April 17 2008 16:39 GMT
#42
Why? Don't you love cookies?
ModeratorHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 17 2008 17:29 GMT
#43
TSL-TrueStory = Dunaj for anyone who wanted to know that "smurf"

Just to throw my 2 cents in here:

1. I think this issue is really small and not even worth a discussion either way. That means, the argument for wanting to smurf is really really weak. Players dodge records for sure not names. Perhaps the RACE associated with that name but that can be found before the game starts anyways. The argument against smurfing is also weak, it essentially boils down into a "well if he can do it why can't I?" which is childish and short sighted.

2. There are too few smurfs for it to matter. I really like that the rule is no smurfing, I feel like that gives the ladder more of a star league feeling.

That being said the idea behind allowed smurfing is decent, I just think it is an answer to a "probelm" that is inadequate.

Draco, Mondragon, WhiteRa etc.. THE most feared gamers in the community are having _NO_ problem getting games. I know Hot_Bid or maybe Mani said earler that just because they can doesnt mean it is the same situation for other gamers but I honestly cannot see an argument aside from dodging on name recognition that would offer a reasonable explanation for why some gamers are allowed to smurf and not others.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 17 2008 20:39 GMT
#44
oooh TrueStory is Dunaj, that's very exciting. I really love his style of play, wooot.
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axel
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
France385 Posts
April 17 2008 21:56 GMT
#45
i never understood what was the matter with smurfs for people from usa/canada but they are all a bit paranoid with this :/
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28667 Posts
April 17 2008 22:43 GMT
#46
someone who is considered a top foreigner will have a harder time getting games while smurfing than when not smurfing
if your stats are in the 45-1 range and people dont know you then they assume you're either really really good and smurfing - thus hard to beat, or that you cheat/abuse and they wont get a fair game
if your stats are in the 45-1 range and you're using the name tot)mondragon( then people think whoa mondi is good i prolly wont win but also "hey this is a good opportunity to play mondragon" (unless he is a player normally in a position to play mondragon, in which case ones ego is too big to dodge anyway.)

basically the "i gotta smurf cause I cant get games cause im too famous" arguement sucks ass unless you deliberately aim for losing 30 games while smurfing to make your record look worse cause people look just as much at stats as they look at name, and name can be motivation to play you, not only to dodge.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-18 01:35:42
April 18 2008 01:34 GMT
#47
To be fair, allowing people to smurf while reporting also gave us an element of control that we would have lost had we said "no smurfing for anyone" because people would do it anyway. At least this way we know who is who.

As inc said, the amount of smurfs makes it almost a non-issue.

Lastly, watching known names is much more entertaining than watching a ladder of smurfs.
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tttt
Profile Joined February 2008
United States386 Posts
April 18 2008 05:11 GMT
#48
On April 18 2008 10:34 Manifesto7 wrote:
To be fair, allowing people to smurf while reporting also gave us an element of control that we would have lost had we said "no smurfing for anyone" because people would do it anyway. At least this way we know who is who.

As inc said, the amount of smurfs makes it almost a non-issue.

Lastly, watching known names is much more entertaining than watching a ladder of smurfs.


Indeed. I think that's the most important thing. Obviously it's anecdotal, but I've personally been much more interested in the TSL (translate that into checking stats/standings daily) because I've been able to follow players who I know of.

That being said, who the hell is TSL-Love??
mMaskulin
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany17 Posts
April 18 2008 11:00 GMT
#49
On April 18 2008 14:11 tttt wrote:
That being said, who the hell is TSL-Love??


i recommend reading the whole thing
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
April 18 2008 13:36 GMT
#50
hes probably ft.act)love, ex-korean progamer?
ReadyRok
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada27 Posts
April 18 2008 16:28 GMT
#51
i didnt know love was a progamer at anytime
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 18 2008 16:45 GMT
#52
yup long ago.. then he moved to usa and didnt learn the language and still plays bw
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
April 18 2008 23:22 GMT
#53
I'm sorry if someone asked that already but I was wondering when the smurfs will be uncovered. At the end of the ladder stage or at the end of the complete season?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 18 2008 23:29 GMT
#54
at end of ladder I am sure.

But all the smurfs are revealed imo o-O maybe the ones that didn't make it you mean?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 21 2008 19:11 GMT
#55
doesn't hurt to know now: LYSOL = Assem
Jaskwith
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States197 Posts
April 21 2008 19:18 GMT
#56
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Meh, if some people are unsecure about the reputation they have to uphold let them smurf, because its obviously not because of dodge reasons, I mean who is there that you would dodge but then not dodge mondragoon? And If mondragoon did it on the same server with the same users that these smurfs feel smurfing is necessary then whats the problem? Get over it and stop babying higher level gamers, its nonsense PISH POSH!
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gusbear
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
333 Posts
April 21 2008 19:31 GMT
#57
On April 18 2008 10:34 Manifesto7 wrote:
To be fair, allowing people to smurf while reporting also gave us an element of control that we would have lost had we said "no smurfing for anyone" because people would do it anyway. At least this way we know who is who.

sorry but thats the lamest reason ever. thats like saying ok we will allow hackers since there are gonna be people hacking anyway. smurf = ban. how hard is that to enforce?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-21 19:45:19
April 21 2008 19:42 GMT
#58
I have some questions:
Who is TSL-Oystein ?
Who is TSl-13 ?
Does TSL-ultraling use the aka "ultraling" on Europe ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-22 02:52:55
April 22 2008 02:50 GMT
#59
On April 22 2008 04:31 gusbear wrote:
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On April 18 2008 10:34 Manifesto7 wrote:
To be fair, allowing people to smurf while reporting also gave us an element of control that we would have lost had we said "no smurfing for anyone" because people would do it anyway. At least this way we know who is who.

sorry but thats the lamest reason ever. thats like saying ok we will allow hackers since there are gonna be people hacking anyway. smurf = ban. how hard is that to enforce?



That's a super-legit reason, Mani. I think that that alone really justifies allowing admin-controlled smurfs. I'm trying to think of a freakonomics style example that mimics this, but maybe I'll edit later.


Now that the ladder is over, any admin caring enough to enlighten us on who used smurfs? And the reasoning behind specific people asking for smurfs? (the latter is a lot to ask for I'd happy with just the former).

Edit: It's like if the US issued Cocaine/Whorehouse licenses. Crack is going to happen anyways, but at least there's a way to track it. Same with hookers, and there's a million ways to argue against the legalizing of activities like these, but it's an example. Oh, same with abortions. They're going to happen anyways, might as well legalize them.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
gusbear
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
333 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-22 07:10:46
April 22 2008 07:10 GMT
#60
On April 22 2008 11:50 thunk wrote:
Edit: It's like if the US issued Cocaine/Whorehouse licenses. Crack is going to happen anyways, but at least there's a way to track it. Same with hookers, and there's a million ways to argue against the legalizing of activities like these, but it's an example. Oh, same with abortions. They're going to happen anyways, might as well legalize them.

Those examples only work where there is extreme difficulty in enforcing the bans. Enforcing smurfing is not nearly as hard because all the qualifiers have to give replays and their real personal information so there is simply no way for a "known" player to smurf.
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