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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Just to throw my 2 cents in here: 1. I think this issue is really small and not even worth a discussion either way. That means, the argument for wanting to smurf is really really weak. Players dodge records for sure not names. Perhaps the RACE associated with that name but that can be found before the game starts anyways. The argument against smurfing is also weak, it essentially boils down into a "well if he can do it why can't I?" which is childish and short sighted. 2. There are too few smurfs for it to matter. I really like that the rule is no smurfing, I feel like that gives the ladder more of a star league feeling. That being said the idea behind allowed smurfing is decent, I just think it is an answer to a "probelm" that is inadequate. Draco, Mondragon, WhiteRa etc.. THE most feared gamers in the community are having _NO_ problem getting games. I know Hot_Bid or maybe Mani said earler that just because they can doesnt mean it is the same situation for other gamers but I honestly cannot see an argument aside from dodging on name recognition that would offer a reasonable explanation for why some gamers are allowed to smurf and not others. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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axel
France385 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28576 Posts
if your stats are in the 45-1 range and people dont know you then they assume you're either really really good and smurfing - thus hard to beat, or that you cheat/abuse and they wont get a fair game if your stats are in the 45-1 range and you're using the name tot)mondragon( then people think whoa mondi is good i prolly wont win but also "hey this is a good opportunity to play mondragon" (unless he is a player normally in a position to play mondragon, in which case ones ego is too big to dodge anyway.) basically the "i gotta smurf cause I cant get games cause im too famous" arguement sucks ass unless you deliberately aim for losing 30 games while smurfing to make your record look worse cause people look just as much at stats as they look at name, and name can be motivation to play you, not only to dodge.  | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
As inc said, the amount of smurfs makes it almost a non-issue. Lastly, watching known names is much more entertaining than watching a ladder of smurfs. | ||
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tttt
United States386 Posts
On April 18 2008 10:34 Manifesto7 wrote: To be fair, allowing people to smurf while reporting also gave us an element of control that we would have lost had we said "no smurfing for anyone" because people would do it anyway. At least this way we know who is who. As inc said, the amount of smurfs makes it almost a non-issue. Lastly, watching known names is much more entertaining than watching a ladder of smurfs. Indeed. I think that's the most important thing. Obviously it's anecdotal, but I've personally been much more interested in the TSL (translate that into checking stats/standings daily) because I've been able to follow players who I know of. That being said, who the hell is TSL-Love?? | ||
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mMaskulin
Germany17 Posts
On April 18 2008 14:11 tttt wrote: That being said, who the hell is TSL-Love?? i recommend reading the whole thing  | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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ReadyRok
Canada27 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
But all the smurfs are revealed imo o-O maybe the ones that didn't make it you mean? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Jaskwith
United States197 Posts
Meh, if some people are unsecure about the reputation they have to uphold let them smurf, because its obviously not because of dodge reasons, I mean who is there that you would dodge but then not dodge mondragoon? And If mondragoon did it on the same server with the same users that these smurfs feel smurfing is necessary then whats the problem? Get over it and stop babying higher level gamers, its nonsense PISH POSH! | ||
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gusbear
333 Posts
On April 18 2008 10:34 Manifesto7 wrote: To be fair, allowing people to smurf while reporting also gave us an element of control that we would have lost had we said "no smurfing for anyone" because people would do it anyway. At least this way we know who is who. sorry but thats the lamest reason ever. thats like saying ok we will allow hackers since there are gonna be people hacking anyway. smurf = ban. how hard is that to enforce? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Who is TSL-Oystein ? Who is TSl-13 ? Does TSL-ultraling use the aka "ultraling" on Europe ? | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On April 22 2008 04:31 gusbear wrote: sorry but thats the lamest reason ever. thats like saying ok we will allow hackers since there are gonna be people hacking anyway. smurf = ban. how hard is that to enforce? That's a super-legit reason, Mani. I think that that alone really justifies allowing admin-controlled smurfs. I'm trying to think of a freakonomics style example that mimics this, but maybe I'll edit later. Now that the ladder is over, any admin caring enough to enlighten us on who used smurfs? And the reasoning behind specific people asking for smurfs? (the latter is a lot to ask for I'd happy with just the former). Edit: It's like if the US issued Cocaine/Whorehouse licenses. Crack is going to happen anyways, but at least there's a way to track it. Same with hookers, and there's a million ways to argue against the legalizing of activities like these, but it's an example. Oh, same with abortions. They're going to happen anyways, might as well legalize them. | ||
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gusbear
333 Posts
On April 22 2008 11:50 thunk wrote: Edit: It's like if the US issued Cocaine/Whorehouse licenses. Crack is going to happen anyways, but at least there's a way to track it. Same with hookers, and there's a million ways to argue against the legalizing of activities like these, but it's an example. Oh, same with abortions. They're going to happen anyways, might as well legalize them. Those examples only work where there is extreme difficulty in enforcing the bans. Enforcing smurfing is not nearly as hard because all the qualifiers have to give replays and their real personal information so there is simply no way for a "known" player to smurf. | ||
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