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Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
April 16 2008 19:27 GMT
#21
I don't think smurfing should be allowed in group phase or brackets. If a smurf makes it this far, he should be forced to use his known ID.
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
April 16 2008 19:48 GMT
#22
i'm pretty sure by that time the smurf's real handle will be known anyways
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
April 16 2008 19:56 GMT
#23
On April 17 2008 01:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.


In the initial announcement of the ladder it said smurfing was prohibited. Then some people made agreements with the ladder admins to make exceptions but this never got explained publicly.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 16 2008 20:08 GMT
#24
I'm pretty sure in the initial announcement the smurfing-on-asking policy was there... no one read it though.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
April 16 2008 20:16 GMT
#25
Smurfing was never prohibited; its always been that you had to PM mani about it with a reason.
Moonlight Shadow
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 16 2008 20:39 GMT
#26
On April 17 2008 04:56 Asta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2008 01:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.


In the initial announcement of the ladder it said smurfing was prohibited. Then some people made agreements with the ladder admins to make exceptions but this never got explained publicly.

You should re-read the initial announcement before making statements like these.
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Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 21:16:08
April 16 2008 21:08 GMT
#27
The fact remains:

when the current #1 does not need a smurf, why should anyone else need one? I would even state that there are *at least* as many ppl driven and attracted by the possibility to beat a known player (5 pool anyone? *G) then players who dodge him while fearing to lose points.

There is no valid argument for smurfs.


(offtopic, same reason why I proposed single unique IDs for SC2 Bnet, or at least a way to check the account behind different IDs)
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ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
April 16 2008 21:27 GMT
#28
On April 17 2008 04:56 Asta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2008 01:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.


In the initial announcement of the ladder it said smurfing was prohibited. Then some people made agreements with the ladder admins to make exceptions but this never got explained publicly.

hehe you are arguing with the founder of TSL, I think he knows the "rules" better than most ppl
Really, play for fun!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 16 2008 21:31 GMT
#29
you all should realize that there's a difference between there being no argument for using a smurf (from a player's point of view) and no argument for allowing people to use smurfs (from a league administration point of view). Like hot_bid said, if people want to exercise the option, they can. There's no unfairness in the system, because everyone can choose to do it or not.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 16 2008 22:35 GMT
#30
I'm just pointing out the fact that if the top players (who you would think have a legitimate desire to smurf) arent smurfing, why would anyone else have valid reasons?

anyways, I dont really care !_!~
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
April 16 2008 23:54 GMT
#31
On April 17 2008 07:35 Xeris wrote:
I'm just pointing out the fact that if the top players (who you would think have a legitimate desire to smurf) arent smurfing, why would anyone else have valid reasons?

anyways, I dont really care !_!~


You are all arguing an illogical position. The decisions of one gamer have no bearing on the decisions of another. If Mondragon doesn't smurf, there is no relationship between the reasoning for another gamer who does. People do not have to base their decisions on the behaviour of others. Instead, they base their decisions on the rules of the environment under which they exist.

I want to wear a seatbelt. The law says I don't have to wear a seatbelt, but if I choose to do so and my car is equipped with one I can. The best driver and most well known driver in the world doesn't wear one. What is my reasoning?

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It doesn't matter. It is my own choice.
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Dinosaur
Profile Joined April 2008
Denmark112 Posts
April 17 2008 00:10 GMT
#32
Pure logic Dr. Spock!
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 17 2008 03:23 GMT
#33
Just for the sake of me being annoying and just continuing the discussion because imo it's interesting ... here we go:

Quote from official rules:
" No smurf accounts
You must create an account with your known ID in it. Do not take this request lightly. If we find out you have been smurfing in any way, you will be disqualified. If you are worried about which ID you should use or whether this rule applies to you, ask Manifesto7 via private message.

Since all accounts must be new, we recommend gamers use a TSL- tag with their name. Ex. TSL-Nony, TSL-FakeSteve. If you find someone else using your known name, PM Mani.

If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to Mani. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to do this will lead to disqualification.

If you want to change names, you must inform us.

No exceptions."

So... for the people who ARE smurfing, what argument could possibly be made that not smurfing is giving them an unfair disadvantage? Just wondering what people who got approved smurfs reasons were for wanting to smurf?
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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 17 2008 03:35 GMT
#34
they probably thought people might dodge them or something. in the end, it doesn't matter though, because as we've seen you can smurf or not smurf and be just as successful either way. perhaps it wasn't obvious at the beginning that things would turn out that way, so the option was there for people to smurf under an approved name. and perhaps in the future, less people will choose to smurf after seeing that it didn't make a difference.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 17 2008 03:44 GMT
#35
valid point, makes sense.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Axieoqu
Profile Joined October 2005
Finland204 Posts
April 17 2008 08:34 GMT
#36
Imo standings list with so many known nicks has been one of the best things about TSL.
jambonkingcool
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada186 Posts
April 17 2008 14:13 GMT
#37
I think everyone should have been able to smurf during the ladder thing, I don't see why people would have to ask permission to do it. When it comes to the real league(top48), players cannot smurf anymore because they have to give their rl name to register, and the brackets are done at this stage, so there is no point in smurfing anymore. I know it's cool to know who is who, but during the ladder stage it doesn't matter really because we can't see the games anyway - they aren't broadcasted, and the replays aren't available (unless the players release them). I personaly think the no-smurfing rule was dumb and meaningless, but thats just my 2cents.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 17 2008 14:27 GMT
#38
On April 17 2008 23:13 jambonkingcool wrote:
I think everyone should have been able to smurf during the ladder thing, I don't see why people would have to ask permission to do it. When it comes to the real league(top48), players cannot smurf anymore because they have to give their rl name to register, and the brackets are done at this stage, so there is no point in smurfing anymore. I know it's cool to know who is who, but during the ladder stage it doesn't matter really because we can't see the games anyway - they aren't broadcasted, and the replays aren't available (unless the players release them). I personaly think the no-smurfing rule was dumb and meaningless, but thats just my 2cents.


A lot of people have had fun following the ladder so far. People don't need to actually see the games in order to enjoy following the results. I doubt they'd have fun cheering for anonymous_protoss01928 against anonymous_zerg53721.

I'd actually think that if replays/VODs were released, then you'd have a better argument. People would be able to enjoy the games for their intrinsic entertainment without having any added value from the player ID's attached to them. But since people can't enjoy the actual games, the added value of the drama/history/competition between the players is the only thing that makes the results worth following.

Anonymity + no VODs/reps = absolutely nothing for the spectators.
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
April 17 2008 15:53 GMT
#39
Okay, I'll come clean, I've been smurfing as AWESOME-possum. I'd like to apologize to all my fans out there.
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
April 17 2008 16:18 GMT
#40
About smurfing; u say ppl dodge 'famous' names ? Imho as a "lower level" gamer(who usually r the dodgers), ppl dodge stats, not names... So it dosent matter whats ur screenname..
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