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Edit: And glad to see Effort getting some recognition! I don't really care about JD and Zero... Zero just performed better in the last month. It's not the end of the world for JD fans.
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
Edit: And glad to see Effort getting some recognition! I don't really care about JD and Zero... Zero just performed better in the last month. It's not the end of the world for JD fans. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:00 cosiant wrote: Lol, this is basicly a flamming war between, protoss avatars and zerg avatars, with the terran ones stuck in the middle. fuckin protoss conspiracies. Usin mind control and shit. | ||
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Origami
United States266 Posts
It's like he'll spend every factory production round on vultures that go straight to the enemy base and then has to defend his own shit against 8 dragoons with a single tank and some SCVs. I've never seen a player that has to use SCV defense as much as him in a long time. | ||
GTR
51619 Posts
i'm a jaedong fan and a zero anti-fan, and i stand by jwd's opinion that zero is the better zerg at the moment. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I think you're too hard on jaedong. After he won his OSL it seemed like he would fall to the curse, he lost 2 games to the new biomech strat based on early valks that he hadn't encounter before. But he got his shit together and won the "series" eventually vs both movie and ganzi, and did it pretty convincingly. Leaving him only losing a game to Fantasy this month, a game which was REALLY close and vs a strategy that was really new. One vulture raid basically cost him that game, he played good and fantasy is really good too. I will not even take the game he lost to hyvaa into account, since if he loses 1 of 10 games to zerg cannot really be counted for his PR as something negative. I think putting fantasy above jaedong is abit balsy but not necissarily wrong, jaedong had abit of minislump right after his OSL and it has to count for something. Ranking Zero as the new best zergplayer is very wierd to me. He had a good run this month, his should rise on the PR but you cannot compare him to jaedong yet, he has more to prove before being put above jaedong. Also comparing their zvz skills is abit off, seing as jaedong is called the bonjwa of zvz by the korean progamers and commentators. Zero winning 5 games in a row cannot be compared to jaedongs 90%~ consistant zergratio over the 2 last year or so. Zero is 5-5 in the last 10 zvz and he definately have more to prove before being compared to jaedong in that aspect. So even though I agree with the ranks after the first four I must say that the top 4 are more important. I wouldn't put thezerg at his spot, rather give it to calm whos gone 19-6 since febuary and deserves more credit than thezerg whos gone something like 9-6 over the same time. Since their recent performance (since last pr) is about the same, it doesn't seem fair. Although I don't like that flash isn't getting his shit together I cant disagree with leta, effort, skyhigh and flash order as it is now. One reason being that I haven't followed Skyhigh closely as of late. I will look into his games and based on records alone he's actually a contender to a top 5 spot and perhaps above zero, since he's been consistantly good for a few months now whereas zero just picked up his pace. Great effort and nice writeup but I disagree with the jaedong position strongly. I will quote PR from december 2006; A few hiccups isn't enough for me to call | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:19 GTR wrote: wow. i'm a jaedong fan and a zero anti-fan, and i stand by jwd's opinion that zero is the better zerg at the moment. <3 zero > jaedong this month. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
His winning percentage and gameplay has been flawless for months now with the exception of one days "bad" play vs fantasy. If you can just ignore that he had 1 day off and look at his record its breathtaking. If jaedong hadn't lost a few games right after his OSL win he and bisu would be batteling for the first spot but as it is now I think jaedong placed as nr 2 (in my list heh)is justified. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Gogo kespa | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:41 Cambium wrote: awesome Gogo kespa kespa going go nuts and take 1place called it here first | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
w/e @ top 8, nothing really terrible in there. in the early stages of proleagues, there's a lot of creative liberty that can be taken with the PR and none of these are too bad (so long as you look at ZerO's placement as a nod to his success rather than a jab at JD). lmao @ Kespa. a little part of me thinks that Kespa on the PR is a waste and should be showcasing someone that people should keep an eye on... But then a much bigger part of me thinks it's important that people are aware of the bullshit that Kespa's been using to rob people of games using strict interpretations of rules who's spirit is against bad manner, in cases that are purely accidental. ...but everything I've skimmed about thezerg is just insufficient. he doesn't deserve the PR and frankly, I'm not convinced he even deserves CBNC. he got booted from the OSL by Leta after playing uninspired and scraping by GuemChi and I dunno where he was for the MSL, but I'm pretty sure he's not still around there. Bisu + Fantasy @ 1 and 2 is sufficient to showcase SKT1's dominance, there's no need to gyp Calm out of what is pretty clearly his. Hell, I would've been happier with Baby @ the 10 spot because he at least has put up some games worth watch vs. Jangbi @ GOM whereas I really haven't seen any games I would recommend to someone from thezerg. anyway, I've done PRs (for other games), so I know how stressful and ultimately unrewarding they are when people crucify you for every little decision you made... so cheers on a ballsy and well written PR. | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
Has a PR ever been changed before? Because of objections? Or...? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:59 Sentenal wrote: I just noticed that Bisu is the only Protoss on the list. The only Dragon that has yet to be slain, eh? I wonder if one of Dragons like Stork/Jangbi will make a comeback, or if Protoss fans need to look to the next generation of Protosses for the next big Protoss stars. There is no other generation. The dragons were all protoss had. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Probably because Effort's been blinding lately. Not that I like CJ zergs or anything... | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:59 frogmelter wrote: Just a question since I'm new here Has a PR ever been changed before? Because of objections? Or...? never | ||
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GTR
51619 Posts
On May 15 2009 16:07 De4ngus wrote: There is no other generation. The dragons were all protoss had. well the first generation was reach, kingdom and nal_ra second generation was anytime, pusan and stork and the third generation is technically the six dragons. fourth? my picks are movie, pure and horang2. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On May 15 2009 13:48 JWD wrote: OK, let me try to address what appear to be the major complaints thus far: 1) "JD isn't high enough / JD should be below ZerO" I think this issue is mostly one of interpretation of what the Power Rank means, precisely. I wrote this Power Rank as a ranking of the last month's most powerful gamers, and that is all. Obviously hypothesizing about who could beat who is a useful check for deciding where to rank players, but I don't think it should be the prime determinant of rank - performance over the last month of SC play should come first (that means "JD won the OSL" isn't so valid!). And in this area, I think ZerO, Bisu, and Fantasy are all just a cut above Jaedong. Plexa, I don't see how you can be so sure JD would beat Fantasy, for example, on "any given day of the week" considering they are 3-3 in recent meetings and Fantasy was especially impressive in their most recent. And yes JD's losses have been few and far between (and he definitely picked up his play towards the end of this PR period) but ZerO has an even better record while facing a decidedly more difficult set of opponents (Calm, Luxury, Kal3x, Yarnc, Leta, Bisu). Another key point that I think elevates ZerO above JD for this month is that he's beginning to rival Jaedong in ZvZ skill as well (what big Zerg didn't ZerO thrash over the past month?? Only JD) - he simply had a better month in terms of ZvZ play. Another aspect of JD's play to consider is performance in clutch matches for OZ: his losses to Fantasy and Movie in PL weren't just uncharacteristic, they probably cost Hwaseung its matches against T1 and CJ - the two teams with which OZ is really competing at the top of the PL rankings right now. Bisu, Fantasy, and ZerO have, for the most part, been rock solid in their biggest PL matches (ZerO's fresh loss to Leta in the ace of Hite-WJ comes to mind, but remember he beat Yarnc earlier in the match to give WJ a shot at the 5set in the first place). 2) Calm missing from CBNC Actually, this is my bad. Calm definitely deserves to be in CBNC. I had this eerie feeling I was forgetting someone, and he's it for sure. However, I did evaluate Calm for the 10-spot and found he came up short... 3) Thezerg in 10th When Power Ranking, wins and losses shouldn't all be given equal weight - even if they're between the same players. Much has to do with the context or significance of those wins: are they in high-pressure situations? Are they contributing to some crucial trend in SC right now - like a new strategy's emergence, a SL title run, or a great PL streak? The primary reason I gave Thezerg the nod over a slew of other players with admittedly similar records is that his recent performance reflects a major turnaround not only in his individual skill, but the strength of his entire team. T1's remarkable dominance in R4 of PL (no this is not blind fandom, I mean for fuck's sake SK Telecom T1 is in SECOND PLACE in Fantasy PL at the moment) would simply not have been possible without Thezerg, and that means that his wins over the past month mean just that much more than those of say, Calm or by.great. by.great does deserve credit for taking out Bisu and free with his innovative strat on Neo Medusa, but check out his other recent opponents: they're all powderpuffs. Not to mention great is sitting on a 3-game losing streak and he dropped out of GOM to ZergBong. ZergBong!! Calm has a great record over the past month and he does deserve props for being alive in MST (though that may only be because his group isn't complete yet), but he's faced a similarly weak host of opponents. Young2x, RorO, Anytime, MVP, oDin, go.go2x, Tempest?? These are not players we should be impressed to see Calm beat. The nail in Calm's coffin for this PR was his absolutely pathetic performance against Bisu in MST...damn was that sad to watch. Thezerg, on the other hand, has dealt with JangBi, HiyA, GoRush (yeah, GoRush is decent these days, especially in ZvZ on Battle Royal), and, most significantly in my mind, gave Leta a real series in the OSL Ro36. Yes he ended up getting embarrassed by wraith play, but do you honestly think Calm or by.great would have even taken a game from Leta? I'm a skeptic. True great lost to zergbong in gom and is on a 3 loss streak, but two were zvz and the game v anytime wasn't terrible. Gom is also the place of upsets, so don't expect players to do well there. Calm is definitely doing well, probably stx ace now. TheZerg doesn't deserve the number 10 slot in my opinion. Lets see who TheZerg beat this season. Hiya, Jangbi, Gorush, Ganzi, and Modesty. Hiya sucks, no offense, but hes just not great. Hes definitely one of the better players, but its just not up there. Now Jangbi, it pains me to say this, but Jangbi's games r terrible. Beating him means nothing now. Gorush is on ace, don't expect too much. Ganzi and modesty are like who? Not to mention fantasy also lost to scrubs too, so I don't see why jaedong is up higher. | ||
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leomon
Canada169 Posts
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