EPTPower Rank 05/15/2009 - Page 6
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:36 JWD wrote: Honestly I don't think this PR or the thought behind it is very revolutionary at all. Power Ranking has always been about striking some balance between who we consider to be the "best" players in hypothetical Best-of-99999 series and who we think has played the best over the past month. Previous PR writers have merely put more stress on the former than I do. This power rank has a complete lack of the benefit of the doubt. Other power ranks stress the name factor which is completely irrevelant in this one. Also, this one says (and shows) that it takes into account only the last month's games, while other power ranks are about the best (not best performing) player at the time the power rank is released. Consider when Hwasin was tearing it up at the beginning of the starleagues, effortly beating players such as Flash, Jaedong, and BeSt. I recall he got a spot like low 7s. He certainly performed better, but people knew from precedent that he was not actually the better player at that time. This power rank is revolutionary, perhaps too much. A good example is Mani's power rank, which heavily emphasizes the name factor or the fact that Bisu and Savior remained on top even after their drubbing in the finals. You're the first one to completely discard every factor except gameplay. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:36 JWD wrote: Honestly I don't think this PR or the thought behind it is very revolutionary at all. Power Ranking has always been about striking some balance between who we consider to be the "best" players in hypothetical Best-of-99999 series and who we think has played the best over the past month. Previous PR writers have merely put more stress on the former than I do. No. Power rank has never been just about who's doing the best in the past month. Never. It's about who's considered the best player. Power rank takes into consideration performance in the last month more-This is obvious and we all know that. But it is never solely just about that alone. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:40 JWD wrote: Yeah Avidkeystamper has been one of the more vocal, but constructive, commenters in this thread. Vocal, yes. Constructive? Nope. Any kind of criticism can be healthy as a reality check, but I wouldn't say his was constructive criticism. Not saying he doesn't make good points- just that his tone hasn't been particularly constructive. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:42 Avidkeystamper wrote: This power rank has a complete lack of the benefit of the doubt. Other power ranks stress the name factor which is completely irrevelant in this one. Also, this one says (and shows) that it takes into account only the last month's games, while other power ranks are about the best (not best performing) player at the time the power rank is released. Consider when Hwasin was tearing it up at the beginning of the starleagues, effortly beating players such as Flash, Jaedong, and BeSt. I recall he got a spot like low 7s. He certainly performed better, but people knew from precedent that he was not actually the better player at that time. This power rank is revolutionary, perhaps too much. A good example is Mani's power rank, which heavily emphasizes the name factor or the fact that Bisu and Savior remained on top even after their drubbing in the finals. You're the first one to completely discard every factor except gameplay. im just as mad at the power rank as you but, shit its just some guys opinion, and we should just ignore it | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:44 tfeign wrote: Power rank has never been about who's doing the best in the past month, Never. Power rank takes into consideration performance in the last month more, but it is never solely just about that alone. Neither is this one! Here's what I posted two pages back (emphasis added): I wrote this Power Rank as a ranking of the last month's most powerful gamers, and that is all. Obviously hypothesizing about who could beat who is a useful check for deciding where to rank players, but I don't think it should be the prime determinant of rank - performance over the last month of SC play should come first (that means "JD won the OSL" isn't so valid!). Note that "the last month's most powerful gamers" in no way implies I am ignoring results outside of the last month of play. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
Well, there's no point in being mad, since there's no changing it. I just wanted to clear some things up. I know that most people consider Jaedong a better player than ZerO, and JWD's opinion is perfectly fine under his criteria. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:47 Avidkeystamper wrote: I'm just pointing out the differences in JWD's take on the PR as opposed to other's. I wasn't trying to be flamish. Kinda sounded like that a few times. But you're right, there is a difference in how JWD made up his PR and how it's been done in the past. Whether it's for the better or for the worse is personal opinion- I for one liked it better than March's PR. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
It seems pretty similar to what Mani tends to judge by, and not that far away from what etter used to go by and jaedong is a better player than zero. Who was more powerful last month though? Zero. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:50 Zato-1 wrote: Kinda sounded like that a few times. But you're right, there is a difference in how JWD made up his PR and how it's been done in the past. Whether it's for the better or for the worse is personal opinion- I for one liked it better than March's PR. I'm indifferent; he just broke the mold. Maybe we should try to get a regular rotation of PR writers? It's refreshing (though not always fun) to be surprised by a PR. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:22 Luddite wrote: what, so 1 cute game with infested terrans during the off season means that zero's now better than the guy who won starleague a month ago, and easily wins 90% of the zvz he plays these days? I just don't see how you can base such a big reordering off of a few off season games. I'm pretty sure Jaedong won the OSL a month ago and subsequently got number 1 power rank for his performance at that point. This means you can drop it. Who cares what happened a month ago exactly? It's old news man, Jaedong hasn't been playing all so awesome this past month so he drops. Would I perhaps switch ZerO and Jaedong? Maybe.. but ZerO has been playing pretty damn good and I always figured he'd be the next big zerg along with Effort if he could just up his consistency... which he has. | ||
Emlary
China3334 Posts
I'm OK with the most part of May rank except Zero and Jaedong. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
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hk2717
123 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:40 JWD wrote: Yeah Avidkeystamper has been one of the more vocal, but constructive, commenters in this thread. I do agree that my posts are neither vocal nor constructive, as I don't have enough time to write long arguments to support my viewpoint, as well as English is not my mother tongue so I am not good at it in English. I am sorry too for that I don't contribute to the discussion quality of the thread. But I still want to say this: I do think your PR is too biased and ridiculous for anyone to be constructive. Ignore my post as it is not constructive I knew this when I post it and moderator ban me please if I break any rules of "not repecting the PR author and his effort" or "making unconstructive posts intentionally". And probably SKT1 fans will flame me straight-forwardly like me flaming you. LOL | ||
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cosiant
Canada616 Posts
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On May 15 2009 15:00 cosiant wrote: Lol, this is basicly a flamming war between, SKT T1 avatars and Oz avatars, with the Stars ones stuck in the middle. | ||
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