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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 11:22:18
May 15 2009 11:16 GMT
#161
This all seems correct to me, i dunno why people are whining about Jaedong not being higher. Now my favourite player is Jaedong but clearly hes slipped in the last month which is what the rank is based on, he even said he had a slump himself, and the players above him have done excellently all month it makes perfect sense. Otherwise every month would just be Flash/Bisu/Jaedong at the top because they are the theoretical 'best' players regardless of their recent performances, and wtf would be the point of a rank at all if you do that.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
May 15 2009 11:19 GMT
#162
Hahaha so amazing KeSPA

I love the photo!
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
May 15 2009 11:26 GMT
#163
I love the starleauge off season rank, very random rofl
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scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 12:01:46
May 15 2009 11:59 GMT
#164
Come on, (Z)HoGiL over (Z)Thezerg, really...

Also Jaedong over Zero (Jaedong is still invincible in ZvZ) and Leta over Zero (Leta beat Zero you realize...)

In fact I'd rank things:
Bisu
Fantasy
Leta
Jaedong
ZerO
Effort
Skyghigh
KeSPA
Flash
Hogil
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
May 15 2009 12:04 GMT
#165
I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but this rank is really good. I like how it doesn't focus too much on star quality and "what the players could be doing" but rather on what their stats have been looking like.
Nice touch with the "kespa" at 9th
It happens to fit in perfectly imo, because TheZerg is relatively far behind Flash anyways^^

If I were to change some stuff though, I'd push Zero down to 5th and push effort down to 8th, but unlike JWC, I haven't studied their stats all that much (and missed a couple of ProLeague matches recently).

PS: where are the tosses? 4 Ts, 4 Zs, 1 P and 1 incompetent establishment. Me likes.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
May 15 2009 12:11 GMT
#166
Nice writeup

Even though I've read your justifications, I still think Zero > JaeDong was a mistake. Other than that it looks right to me. The other case you could make is TheZerg @ 10, but frankly, that spot could go to 10 players so it's not a big deal. Thanks JWD.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 15 2009 12:18 GMT
#167
How can you put Zero above Jaedong, but below fantasy?
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 15 2009 12:22 GMT
#168
Love your rank <3
Peace~
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
May 15 2009 12:39 GMT
#169
JWD props to you for saving whats left of April's power rank .

But seeing TheZerg at ten is a bit random to me .Well i guess this months is based heavily on performance i don't follow TheZerg that much and would argue that even BackHo is a far better player then him .

Also the shock of seeing the Jaedong fourth still hasn't passed out from my head . Zero has potential , but there is still quite a gap beetween him and Jaedong in execution .

I would argue that Fantasy sucks at the #2 spot , but the Great Minds here have their reasonings , his TvZ sucks thought even if it is original or crap like that .
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
May 15 2009 12:55 GMT
#170
On May 15 2009 12:30 Chef wrote:
Look how happy KeSPA looks in his photo... That's the mark of a true winner. Someone who really enjoys doing what he does.

And to think he can manage that true emotionless pokerface when dismantling so many great players, effortlessly.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
May 15 2009 12:59 GMT
#171
wow what a nooby powerrank lol
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
May 15 2009 13:00 GMT
#172
KeSPA fighting!

Anyway, it is nice to see (P)Bisu do well again. Hopefully, he will produce some great results this time around. However, I agree that (Z)ZerO over (Z)Jaedong is a bit hard to swallow.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
May 15 2009 13:00 GMT
#173
On May 15 2009 13:33 Fr33t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2009 13:14 Plexa wrote:
Everyone around here knows that I am probably the largest anti-fan of Hwaesung on the planet, and probably top 10 anti-jaedong. But even I cannot understand how Jaedong slips from #1 to #4 in the space of a month. What exactly has Jaedong done to slip this far? Well he lost a game to Ganzi, Movie, fantasy and Hyvaa while destroying everyone else in existence. Indeed, he destroyed Ganzi in their next encounter, and finished movie off in the next two game.

Jaedong's play as of this exact moment is as sharp as ever and I would expect him to defeat Fantasy and Zero (and probably bisu) on any given day of the week based off their current skills. Bisu hasn't done anything too fantastic to claim #1, just won his proleague games bashing a bunch of average gamers (bar leta and zero) in games that weren't exactly spectacular. Fantasy has done nothing really to claim #2 - losing to Calm and Hogil and beating a bunch of scrubs (and Jaedong).

And as much as I love Zero, in no way is he deserving of being called #3 at this point - he's probably top 5, but top 3 is a bit too much. Imo

1) Jaedong
2) Bisu
3) Fantasy
4) Zero

Thank You! JD at number 4? Really? Oh well, it all made sense once I saw the SKT logo.

tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 13:23:26
May 15 2009 13:20 GMT
#174
First off, lol@KeSPA, I agree completely. An excellent satirical jab at them, good job!

As for the ranking itself, I agree with Bisu going back to the top, he remains dominant. While I'm sad that Jaedong is down, being a massive fanboy (did you know that his mutas are imba?), I have to agree that his PL play recently has been stagnant, especially that game where he massed mutas vs sairs... too stubborn to tech switch?

I just hope he can return to form for the OSL to hit two straight victories, because there's no doubt that he's an absolutely incredible player in terms of micro and strategy.

Maybe I like him so much because my only good matchup is ZvZ...

EDIT: This is pretty much what I'd do for rankings...
1. Bisu (actually KeSPA, but that's not the point)
2. Fantasy
3. Jaedong (sorry ZerO, but JD is still better)
4. Leta
5. ZerO
6. SkyHigh
7. Flash
8. Effort
9. GoRush (damn right! ACE zerg ftw!)
10. who the hell cares at this point
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 13:55:16
May 15 2009 13:54 GMT
#175
On May 15 2009 15:19 GTR wrote:
wow.

i'm a jaedong fan and a zero anti-fan, and i stand by jwd's opinion that zero is the better zerg at the moment.

not the better zerg at the moment,
the better-performing zerg at the moment
animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
May 15 2009 14:07 GMT
#176
Hey guys, i figured it out. This is totally just a ploy from FakeSteve to show us that even though we may complain about his Power Ranks every month, there can be far far worse things.
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
May 15 2009 14:14 GMT
#177
Great PR JWD =)
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 15 2009 14:51 GMT
#178
I have only two problems with this. 1) I would drop Zero down to right above Effort. I just feel like, whatever the record, it's just not that impressive. Obviously this isn't in line with JWD's focus on the records, but still it's my point of view. 2) Calm is totally better than thezerg, even with the goofup versus Bisu.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 14:59:46
May 15 2009 14:54 GMT
#179
As I said earlier I think putting zero above jaedong was a mistake. Same kind of mistake that let Luxury be #2 of last months powerrank, even though luxurys position was abit more justified it was still wrong and we got proof of that now.

It all comes down to what the powerrank really is.
  • Is it purely resultbased?
    Who had better results last month etc. This way many times the better players would fall under lower players who sometimes get a winningstreak.
    And then the next month the lesser player will fall again (most of the times) and this wouldn't be an accurate rank of who is the best gamer at the moment imo.

  • Is the powerrank a rank where you try to determine who is the most powerful progamer right now, by taking into account mostly recent results and gameplay?


Now I would definately pick the second alternative when creating a rank. And If you do too, can you seriously say that we have a new Zerg at the Zergthrone?

Zerg has had a tough time for a while with the 6 dragons but now they are back with Zero in the front line. Sounds really odd to me.

What has ZerO actually done to deserve a spot over jaedong? A winning record of 12-2 isn't that crazy, sure its pretty good but then you watch his opponents and it seems pretty obvious that his winningratio would be high, specially since he is really good right now (thus being on the PR at all). Watch Flash's streak when he was in top shape, or Letas streak when he was ripping up the pro league, thats the kind of results in proleague that would justify a huge upset like the jaedong/zero rank. But as it is now, it's simply not justified.
Simply put, Zero didn't do enough. He didn't even beat players from the PR, this is usually necissary to get a top 3 spot let alone beat down the obvious master of the race.

There are some players that I haven't followed enough, such as Leta and Skyhigh. Therefor its very hard to rank them for me, but looking purely at results Leta seems like he's on a small streak right now after some bad performance for a while and his rank is way too high. However I will watch all his games now to make up my mind.
This would be my rank.

1# (P)Bisu - putting him under luxury last PR was a bad mistake and we know it now. He is always a contender for the 1st spot when he plays like he does atm, and whenever Jaedong slips for a while he is there.

2# (Z)Jaedong - He's a monster, he could all-kill any team just a month ago and he won the OSL. After he won the OSL he had a few losses, but he stepped up his game fast enough and won all the important games. The players he lost to were players he came back to beat later on to secure his place in all leagues. A few hickups like this isn't enough to place him any lower right now. He and Bisu is a class above the rest until someone steps up his game consistantly for some time.

3# (T)fantasy - Fantasy hasn't played perfectly this month but not bad either and we all know what he is capable off. He's been in the OSL finals twice in a row and when he prepares for a game he can take anyone down. If the PR was based only on BoX performances he might very well take the top spot if he continues playing like he does.

4# (Z)ZerO / (T)sKyHigh - These are fairly new players in the top ranks, give them some more time to prove themselves. There hasn't been any big matches this month. If someone of them takes a title soon I will gladly put them higher on the ranks.
(take in account that I havent watched sKyHigh closely, just a few games lately and then watched his results so I might change my mind here I'm not sure yet.)

I wont explain the rest, dont have time atm.

6# (Z)EffOrt

7# (T)Leta

8# (T)Flash

9# (Z)Calm

10# (Z)HoGiL

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 15:13:42
May 15 2009 14:56 GMT
#180
The whining about Jaedong is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he's the theoretical best or theoretical #2, all that matters is that he is performing at a lower level than Bisu, Fantasy, and ZerO. Nothing else carries remotely the same weight in a power ranking - this is not a "prediction of the future" or "who has the most hardware" ranking, it's a measure of who has been the most dangerous opponent recently.

If you can honestly argue that JD has been a more dangerous opponent for the last month than ZerO or Fantasy it's because you don't actually watch games.

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