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On October 18 2008 21:28 wolfy4033 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2008 21:02 Geo.Rion wrote: it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it. Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary.. Uh the bisu build is still used very often...its now [or some bastardization of it] your standard opening in pvz. It did revolutionize the game, and for the first time in years, gave protoss an extremely viable chance against Zerg on most maps.
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Viable alternative on certain maps where air plays a bigger part/air harass is more viable. I wouldn't say it's revolutionary, but it could spawn a trend of mech builds with valks involved.
I suppose I woulnd't mind all too much being wrong - I like when matchups change - although I must say I'm not too fond of Terran doing mech in all three matchups. The bionic builds have always been what's made TvZ so special.
All the blood, marines dying...  Pardon me, but it's bloody lovely.
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wow valkyries really are necesary against mutas, i think rines can face mutas but they can follow them and continue fighting a good numbers of valks and the scourge and mutas dies fastly
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MrHoon
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suddenly T1 fanboys! THOUSANDS OF THEM
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Whats next, scouts in PvT?
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On October 19 2008 01:47 Fontong wrote: Whats next, scouts in PvT?
If Blizzard just lowered the cost they would be used
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On October 19 2008 01:02 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2008 21:28 wolfy4033 wrote:On October 18 2008 21:02 Geo.Rion wrote: it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it. Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary.. Uh the bisu build is still used very often...its now [or some bastardization of it] your standard opening in pvz. It did revolutionize the game, and for the first time in years, gave protoss an extremely viable chance against Zerg on most maps. But wasn't it Nal_rA not Bisu that invented sair reaver, which is the one used nowdays?
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Remenber when boxer used lockdown against arbiters in a game against free[gm]. A lot of players started making ghost but, like after 1 month, nobody were using them. The same thing will probably happen to that valks build.
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On October 18 2008 20:11 DownMaxX wrote:Viable Alternative. But as a Zerg player, I'd like an "Annoying" option.  Corsairs, valkeries, ANNOYING AS FUCK TO THE ZERG PLAYERS T_T. Fucking flying supply...
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United States3824 Posts
I so badly want it t o be a revolution. Muta's are awful
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On October 19 2008 03:13 Zepish wrote: Remenber when boxer used lockdown against arbiters in a game against free[gm]. A lot of players started making ghost but, like after 1 month, nobody were using them. The same thing will probably happen to that valks build.
lol.. only the noobs started using ghosts, retard. everyone who was smart enough to see that the lockdown thing boxer did was just to make the game fun.
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On October 19 2008 02:56 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2008 01:02 ScarFace wrote:On October 18 2008 21:28 wolfy4033 wrote:On October 18 2008 21:02 Geo.Rion wrote: it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it. Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary.. Uh the bisu build is still used very often...its now [or some bastardization of it] your standard opening in pvz. It did revolutionize the game, and for the first time in years, gave protoss an extremely viable chance against Zerg on most maps. But wasn't it Nal_rA not Bisu that invented sair reaver, which is the one used nowdays?
tbh, Bisu build isnt involving reaver that much, dark templar is Bisus unit
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Viable alternative on certain maps where air plays a bigger part/air harass is more viable. I wouldn't say it's revolutionary, but it could spawn a trend of mech builds with valks involved.
I suppose I woulnd't mind all too much being wrong - I like when matchups change - although I must say I'm not too fond of Terran doing mech in all three matchups. The bionic builds have always been what's made TvZ so special.
All the blood, marines dying...  Pardon me, but it's bloody lovely.
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Valks in TVZ are old as hell. Nada started using them first I reckon. I mean real YOUNG Nada, aka when he was like 15 or so.
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I think it'll be just another build all terrans should add to their arsenal. It would have been interesting to see if Fantasy continues to use this build in the future.
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It'll be revolutionary and more than a gimmick build/just a phase/map specific build when it's proven against a S-Class Zerg. Right now I have trouble thinking its more viable than SK Terran overall... or that it would work against someone other than current level GGPlay
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I would say it's a good blend between Map/Revolutionary/Viable Alternative. The map has a pretty strong influence on it being used. But the fact that we're seeing it a lot now, really shows the build's worth. I also think it's situational specific to a strong degree.
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mm i think it's viable for us... but in the pro scene it seems like some good micro could totally outdo the benefit of having Valkyries... it does almost cost as much as a BC and good micro on zerg's part, splitting, etc (something they r pretty experienced with due to sci vessel's irr) would totally own them ==
it seems kind of like the corsair for terrans but not really
on a lighter note... has any1 figured out the build pattern/order for this??
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their problem is their weakness against scourges, nothing more or less!
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