Valkyries' fundamental weaknesses remain unchanged: they are still high up the tech tree, expensive, immobile while firing and weak against scourge. It's only a matter of time before zergs get them under control.

Felagund

Philippines504 Posts

October 18 2008 11:55 GMT

Charles Darwin.

GeneralCash

Croatia346 Posts

October 18 2008 12:00 GMT

the glich with a lot of units causing valks to not fire often makes them useless late game. i think it's the maps anyway.

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

October 18 2008 12:02 GMT

it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it. But it's a viable option, since it has also the element of surprise.

Biff The Understudy

France8074 Posts

October 18 2008 12:08 GMT

Imo, it's a step in TvZ evolution, and an efficient alternative to the normal muta build.

Zerg will have to adapt and the gameplay will evolve. As usual.

Texas

Germany2388 Posts

October 18 2008 12:13 GMT

maps..ez

disciple

9071 Posts

October 18 2008 12:17 GMT

#10

oob

Sweden630 Posts

October 18 2008 12:28 GMT

#11

On October 18 2008 21:02 Geo.Rion wrote:
it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it.

Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary..

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

October 18 2008 12:42 GMT

#12

Isn't the fact it's a viable alternative revolutionary?

mIsUZu

New Zealand528 Posts

October 18 2008 13:43 GMT

#13

GGPlay was the victim of this crazy terran-friendly maps on OGN

capek

United States585 Posts

October 18 2008 14:09 GMT

#14

On October 18 2008 21:42 SuperJongMan wrote:
Isn't the fact it's a viable alternative revolutionary?

if you have a dynamic IP just vote twice.

Leath

Canada1724 Posts

October 18 2008 14:36 GMT

#15

Couldnt be revolutionary.
I have a replay of Boxer dating back to 2002-4 where he uses Valkyries against a Z on LT.

I think they are good if the zerg is doing the muta build and get surprised by valk timing.
If spotted, I dont see why wraiths arent much different. Easier to harass with wraiths since it also attacks the ground.

Felagund

Philippines504 Posts

October 18 2008 14:48 GMT

#16

On October 18 2008 22:43 mIsUZu wrote:
GGPlay was the victim of this crazy terran-friendly maps on OGN

I'm glad sAviOr wasn't a victim of that.

Archaic

United States4024 Posts

October 18 2008 14:58 GMT

#17

I'd say viable alternative. It can easily be crushed but there are many factors that prevent it from being so.
First off, element of surprise. As any other build, this element can help players win game.
Second, it causes panic, and makes them make premature decisions.
Third, most Zergs have issues adapting. They wouldn't know what to do in this case, until a specific counter will have been released.

Februarys

Korea (South)259 Posts

October 18 2008 15:24 GMT

#18

The best thing about Valkyries are not their ability to kill ovies/mutas but the way most Zerg players will react to it if Valkyrie number increases by so much that scourges start becoming ineffective. These Zergs who have trouble adapting will probably transition to mass hydra as a counter, which will then get countered by tanks

As a Zerg player, I feel like the most important way to bring down Valkyries is Scourges. Cheap, efficient, and can be snuck under while Mutas soak up the damage