EPTIts against the new mutalisk style obviously..
Valkyries in TvZ:
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Its against the new mutalisk style obviously.. | ||
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DownMaxX
Canada1311 Posts
But as a Zerg player, I'd like an "Annoying" option.  | ||
IntoTheWow
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
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GeneralCash
Croatia346 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Biff The Understudy
France8192 Posts
Zerg will have to adapt and the gameplay will evolve. As usual. | ||
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
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disciple
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oob
Sweden630 Posts
On October 18 2008 21:02 Geo.Rion wrote: it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it. Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary.. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
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capek
United States585 Posts
On October 18 2008 21:42 SuperJongMan wrote: Isn't the fact it's a viable alternative revolutionary? if you have a dynamic IP just vote twice. | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
I have a replay of Boxer dating back to 2002-4 where he uses Valkyries against a Z on LT. I think they are good if the zerg is doing the muta build and get surprised by valk timing. If spotted, I dont see why wraiths arent much different. Easier to harass with wraiths since it also attacks the ground. | ||
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
On October 18 2008 22:43 mIsUZu wrote: GGPlay was the victim of this crazy terran-friendly maps on OGN I'm glad sAviOr wasn't a victim of that.  | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
First off, element of surprise. As any other build, this element can help players win game. Second, it causes panic, and makes them make premature decisions. Third, most Zergs have issues adapting. They wouldn't know what to do in this case, until a specific counter will have been released. | ||
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Februarys
Korea (South)259 Posts
As a Zerg player, I feel like the most important way to bring down Valkyries is Scourges. Cheap, efficient, and can be snuck under while Mutas soak up the damage | ||
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Makhno
Sweden585 Posts
On October 18 2008 20:55 Felagund wrote: Charles Darwin. Exactly. And the valkyries will survive and reproduce. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On October 18 2008 21:28 wolfy4033 wrote: Uh the bisu build is still used very often...its now [or some bastardization of it] your standard opening in pvz. It did revolutionize the game, and for the first time in years, gave protoss an extremely viable chance against Zerg on most maps.Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary.. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
I wouldn't say it's revolutionary, but it could spawn a trend of mech builds with valks involved. I suppose I woulnd't mind all too much being wrong - I like when matchups change - although I must say I'm not too fond of Terran doing mech in all three matchups. The bionic builds have always been what's made TvZ so special. All the blood, marines dying... Pardon me, but it's bloody lovely. | ||
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Dark_Star
Chile19 Posts
i think rines can face mutas but they can follow them and continue fighting a good numbers of valks and the scourge and mutas dies fastly | ||
MrHoon
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 19 2008 01:47 Fontong wrote: Whats next, scouts in PvT? If Blizzard just lowered the cost they would be used | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On October 19 2008 01:02 ScarFace wrote: Uh the bisu build is still used very often...its now [or some bastardization of it] your standard opening in pvz. It did revolutionize the game, and for the first time in years, gave protoss an extremely viable chance against Zerg on most maps. But wasn't it Nal_rA not Bisu that invented sair reaver, which is the one used nowdays? | ||
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Zepish
Canada160 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On October 18 2008 20:11 DownMaxX wrote: Viable Alternative. But as a Zerg player, I'd like an "Annoying" option. Corsairs, valkeries, ANNOYING AS FUCK TO THE ZERG PLAYERS T_T. Fucking flying supply... | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 19 2008 03:13 Zepish wrote: Remenber when boxer used lockdown against arbiters in a game against free[gm]. A lot of players started making ghost but, like after 1 month, nobody were using them. The same thing will probably happen to that valks build. lol.. only the noobs started using ghosts, retard. everyone who was smart enough to see that the lockdown thing boxer did was just to make the game fun. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 19 2008 02:56 CDRdude wrote: But wasn't it Nal_rA not Bisu that invented sair reaver, which is the one used nowdays? tbh, Bisu build isnt involving reaver that much, dark templar is Bisus unit | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
I wouldn't say it's revolutionary, but it could spawn a trend of mech builds with valks involved. I suppose I woulnd't mind all too much being wrong - I like when matchups change - although I must say I'm not too fond of Terran doing mech in all three matchups. The bionic builds have always been what's made TvZ so special. All the blood, marines dying... Pardon me, but it's bloody lovely. | ||
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fanatacist
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8110 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
it seems kind of like the corsair for terrans but not really on a lighter note... has any1 figured out the build pattern/order for this?? | ||
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Sansucal
Germany259 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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born-to-porn
Denmark400 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On October 19 2008 02:56 CDRdude wrote: But wasn't it Nal_rA not Bisu that invented sair reaver, which is the one used nowdays? Bisu and Nal_rA both used sair reaver/ sair dt. However, Bisu used forge first, which allowed him to get the second gas much much faster (which is what made the build effective on all maps). | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On October 18 2008 21:00 GeneralCash wrote: the glich with a lot of units causing valks to not fire often makes them useless late game. i think it's the maps anyway. ya, if you're playing evolves and you hit the unit cap. with 200/200 supply on both sides sprites will still fire. it's the fact that 2 scourge kill them which is the biggest factor because they are more expensive (250/125 vs 150/100). very vulnerable. must be very careful and have good control to win lol | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Whyzguy
Canada263 Posts
Where did we see it first (recently)? BOXER. enough said. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 19 2008 10:52 Superiorwolf wrote: two scourge kill a valk? I always thought it was three? oh god i've been wasting scourge all this timeya, if you're playing evolves and you hit the unit cap. with 200/200 supply on both sides sprites will still fire. it's the fact that 2 scourge kill them which is the biggest factor because they are more expensive (250/125 vs 150/100). very vulnerable. must be very careful and have good control to win lol | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On October 19 2008 08:45 Mastermind wrote: The only way for valkyries to truly become viable is for them to require 3 scourge hits instead of 2. I agree. Definitely just a phase...and even then, I don't know about how well it'll work...3 hat mutas is already almost dead due to terrans figuring out near perfect turret timing and placement, and so we're already seeing a lot more variety in zerg openings...and iirc, valks come out AFTER the first six mutas in a 2 hat muta build... | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
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Gatw
United Kingdom4 Posts
^ ^;;; | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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NiGoL
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On October 19 2008 02:56 CDRdude wrote: But wasn't it Nal_rA not Bisu that invented sair reaver, which is the one used nowdays? No sair reaver is not whats being used really... I could be mistaken, as my knowledge is about a month dated (school etc.) but sair reaver is still very map specific. | ||
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eborp
United States266 Posts
On October 19 2008 09:54 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: Bisu and Nal_rA both used sair reaver/ sair dt. However, Bisu used forge first, which allowed him to get the second gas much much faster (which is what made the build effective on all maps). Pretty sure Nal_rA did forge first fe first. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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BreaK
Canada890 Posts
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Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
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Culture
Canada488 Posts
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Empyrean
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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sqwert
United States781 Posts
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Ozarugold
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Starparty
Sweden1963 Posts
On October 19 2008 00:24 Februarys wrote: The best thing about Valkyries are not their ability to kill ovies/mutas but the way most Zerg players will react to it if Valkyrie number increases by so much that scourges start becoming ineffective. These Zergs who have trouble adapting will probably transition to mass hydra as a counter, which will then get countered by tanks As a Zerg player, I feel like the most important way to bring down Valkyries is Scourges. Cheap, efficient, and can be snuck under while Mutas soak up the damage but thats the problem, isnt it? if you have that key amount of 7-10 valks, you will have air superiority unless devourers come, because the missiles hit everything, even the scourge. Its not like sneaking in scourge in the muta group while attacking a battle cruiser. | ||
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
On October 21 2008 04:02 sqwert wrote: "omg boxer did it. it must be viable!" dropships? | ||
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shimmy
Poland997 Posts
Back in the day when I used to play regulary and even more back in the day when I used to play more Terran I often built Valks and it usually worked out pretty well, Scourge can easily counter them though. | ||
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