Power Rank 12/01/2007 - Page 6

Happy now Hot_Bid?

On December 02 2007 22:07 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Almost every single player that qualified for the MSL RO 16 and OSL RO 16. They all were argueably more successful than Sea. Keep in mind what the Power Rank really is. I think Sea is an extremely good player. I also understand that many times he gets stuck in tough groups. However, power rank is about results, and Sea is never able to show them. Sure he preforms well in proleague, but only because that's ALL he ever has to focus on, because despite his skills he never seems to qualify for individual leagues. The ranking is not a measurement of potential. It's a measurement of who is playing the best in a months worth of time.

Because you asked for names:
TheMania, ForGG, Free, Kwanro(the guy that beat Sea in MSL..ya remember that?), Xellos and others. Flash too.

What else could be the reason when Flash has managed to qualify for an OSL twice, while Sea has done absolutely nothing? How long before you stop finding excuses for Sea and actually look at the results?

The ranking is not a measurement of potential. It's a measurement of who is playing the best in a months worth of time.

On December 02 2007 20:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Steve is a massive Sea fanboy Apparently winning an OSC group and doing mediocre in proleague is enough for number 9.

On December 02 2007 20:43 Piste wrote:
There are so many players who should be in the rank instead noobish Sea[Shield]!

On December 03 2007 20:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
You should remember what Power Rank is, it's a measure of how good a player is irregardless of results.
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This is NOVEMBER power rank, so I don't know why you bring up all these games from October.

On December 03 2007 20:37 Hot_Bid wrote:

Please don't be condescending to me with the "Happy now?" Especially when you are completely wrong, and half your suggestions show you have no clue what's going on.


You should remember what Power Rank is, it's a measure of how good a player is irregardless of results.

Even so, the pure results side of the argument destroys your players anyway, here's why:


This is NOVEMBER power rank, so I don't know why you bring up all these games from October. The Power Rank is supposed to track rising and strong players, not falling weak ones.

TheMania in October: 4-2 (2-0 vs July, 1-1 vs GoRush, 0-1 vs Tester, 1-0 vs Lucifer)
TheMania in November (THIS MONTH): 1-3 vs Mind
That's it. No proleague, no OSC, nothing. You really think his stellar 1-3 Nov record is deserving of a power rank spot? I say NO for BOTH October and November.

ForGG in October: 3-3 (1-2 vs Nal_rA, 1-0 Magma, 1-0 vs Stork, 0-1 vs Flash)
ForGG in November: 0-1 vs Light
ONE game in November, mediocre in October, doesn't deserve PR in either month. This suggestion, as many of your others, is ridiculous.

Free deserved to be in PR in October and he was, even though he lost to Savior.
Free in November: 4-2, all proleague (W vs Oversky, Eliza, Calm, Bisu; L vs Much, Hero)
Sea in November: 4-1 (W vs Anytime, Calm, Best, Skyhigh; L vs. Chalrenge)
Which one is better? Remember, Sea advanced from his OSC group.

Kwanro in October: 3-4 (0-3 vs Bisu; 2-0 vs Light; 1-0 vs Sea, Oversky; 0-1 vs Hery, July)
Kwanro in November: 1-1 (W vs Canata; L vs Luxury)
He wasn't on the PR in either month and this is correct. No OSL, barely any Proleague, good but not great MSL results. The series against Bisu is forgivable, but the games were HORRIBLY played by Kwanro. Regardless, he's 1-1 in November, and falling since October, and you want him on?

Xellos in October: 3-2 (2-1 vs Canata, 1-0 vs Boxer, 0-1 vs Lucifer)
Xellos in November: 4-4 (1-3 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs Nal_Ra)
October, definitely not. November, well, it would be a decent case if his series win came after his loss, but beating a bad-playing Nal_rA and then losing to Bisu does not get you on. Your argument of Sea "only focusing on proleague" is dumb here because Xellos only focuses on the MSL and not even that, ONLY TvP.

Flash in October: 3-2 (W vs Forgg, Rock, Savior; L vs Frozean, Pusan)
Flash in November: 4-5 (1-2 vs Stork; 1-1 vs Savior; 0-1 vs Hiya, FBH; 1-0 vs Frozean, oov)
This is your best argument. The Savior loss came when he was already qualified for OSL ro8, and he's playing proleague as well as OSL. That said, he's 4-5 and eliminated from OSL with a 1-2 proleague record. Falling, not rising.

Btw you say "Xellos and others" as if there are more people than those you mentioned? Who else?


I think it's pretty clear that for just about everyone in November, Sea is stronger than those that you mentioned. If YOU stopped and actually thought about your stupid, unsupported suggestions, half of which could've easily been disproved with 30 seconds on TLPD (lol ForGG?? Mania???), maybe you'd see why Sea is actually a smart choice.

PS, Anytime got through Survivor 2-1 but he's 1-4 in Proleague this Month.

Much is 5-0 in Proleague but no OSC, he's the only one you can argue about. He's on the PR and one spot lower, completely justified to be there or #9 and Sea #10.


This is ironic, because the players you suggested are:
TheMania (1-3), Free (4-2, falling), Forgg (0-1), Kwanro (1-1), Xellos (4-4, one mu, no PL, falling), Flash (4-5, eliminated OSL, 1-2 PL, falling).

Sea is 4-1, with his loss coming very early in the month. He has the best rec, his opponents were on par with the rest, and he's got momentum.




So I ask again, where are these "so many players" that should be ranked ahead of Sea? Your argument falls apart. How can you be so sure of yourself when 3 of your suggested players for the PR have a combined record of 2-5 in November?

On December 04 2007 06:10 joeki wrote:


I am gonna ask this as a legitimate question since I think I got the power rank all wrong if what you've stated is true. If Ma Jae Yoon wins an MSL title, then plays one single pro-league game the next month and loses he is actually considered worse than someone who plays some qualifier and goes 3-0? Only that single month counts? And even if the MSL winner would go 2-0 in proleague vs decent opponents and not show off any extremely cool micro/macro/timing or whatever that could actually be a reason not to put him on the list?

If the writer of this actually can have the "right" to put someone on the list because he "played so good that game" or "his play is just outstanding, if you cant see it youre an idiot" without any results to back it up there is no chance in hell this can be objective.

No matter how high you think of yourself there is no chance you won't somehow think "How can I find a way to put my favorite player on the list?" There just isn't. Also when Fakesteve suddenly starts to think everyone hates Sea it gets even more obvious he feels he need to defend his choice which implies it's probably wrong. I don't hate him. I just don't see the greatness the fans seems to see. And if you leave out the abstract greatness and decent proleage stats, his OSC group kill is not enough to be top10 in my opinion.

On December 04 2007 08:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Sea is on Power Rank because he is playing better than everyone below him. Look past results, all right? Watch a fucking game once in a while. If you follow ProGaming anywhere near the level that I do, then you probably wouldn't disagree with Sea's placement. If you don't watch nearly every game that happens, I really don't feel like justifying things that would be obvious if you paid a little more attention.

On December 04 2007 18:07 joeki wrote:


I watch a shitload of games and I have watched more Sea games after reading the powerrank. To me he is still just an above average Terran with a potential to be great like many others. He beats good players once in a while in BO1's, because he never plays in any leagues, because he isn't good enough to ever get a chance. It's just as easy as that.

And wth is this "level" of watching the scene? Wow you sound like the SK-forum MYM.moon fanboys. "IF YOU CANT SEE HIS GREATNESS YOU PROBABLY CANT WATCH GAMES AS GOOD AS I CAN!"

You are a big fan of Sea and the only player on the list that according to you doesn't need to prove himself with results is Sea. You seriously don't see how biased that is? The only thing he had before was an awesome proleague record because it was the only thing he could practise for. Now when that's failing it's because he practises for individual leages. Just how many excuses can you make before realizing he's not on the list because you can see something we others can't - but because you're a fan.