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shenlong
219 Posts
Legacy of the Void left me completely dissatisfied, I didn't even bother purchasing the expansion, after beta. I don't even watch StarCraft 2 anymore either, though I do like to read on events once in a while. EDIT: I do occasionally watch Brood War Streams. | ||
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SC2Towelie
United States561 Posts
On June 13 2016 14:02 plasmidghost wrote: Yeah my passion for the game died around the time HotS was released, I haven't even watched a match since 2013 Then why do you come to TL? O.o | ||
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SC2Towelie
United States561 Posts
On June 15 2016 13:43 Pippah wrote: I am back playing broodwar again. Everytime I try sc2 I get so demotivated, I hate how its become more and more macro, one base builds and intense early micro battles are almost gone. What game are you watching? LotV is the most micro/aggression focused version of SC2 we've ever had. | ||
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Ctesias
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
In fact, with a few balance changes and redesigns of depreciated units like the Raven, the Reaper, and a small buff to Terran Mech against Protoss, Wings of Liberty could have been the successor to Brood War. Why? Because back in the days of Wings of Liberty, we didn't have to worry about frustrating units and game mechanics like:
I just hate Legacy of the Void. Wings, hell, even HotS was much better. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
The DOTA 2, League of Legends, Heroes of the Storm, SSBM and Hearthstone communities housed within? | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On June 26 2016 03:50 Clbull wrote: The DOTA 2, League of Legends, Heroes of the Storm, SSBM and Hearthstone communities housed within? You forgot Brood War! Unless that was implicit in your earlier statement. | ||
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breaker1328
Canada298 Posts
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Inertiatic
United States1 Post
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RipeNomad
Canada12 Posts
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
Played a shitload of WoL Played a pretty decent amount of HotS Played 4-5 LotV matches online. Thought WoL was fun, but didnt really agree with the changes from BW to WoL. (Banelings are stupid, horribly designed units. If Z only counter to Terrans cheapest units, are ones that die even if they win the fight... i dont understand why this is acceptable). Then came widow mines... not going to even comment on how horrible these units are. Add in Protoss' Sentries, and it gets even more frustrating. Blizzard doesnt understand what makes the RTS genre worth playing/watching Its not explosions. Its not max supply armies crashing into eachother for 1 fight and then a game over. All Blizzard has been doing in an attempt to be popular, is trying to speed up the game, and get players to max armies as fast as possible... thats not what RTS or Strategy games are about. We want to see/experience slow, steady, well thought out/well executed play. By eliminating/speeding up the early game, they got rid of HALF of the variance of the game. Dont agree with the extra workers at start. Never agreed with the multiple vespene geysers.... never agreed with the game becoming "race to 200/200 and fight and gg" | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK BABY | ||
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mrarthursimon
United States55 Posts
On June 28 2016 08:23 MaestroSC wrote: We want to see/experience slow, steady, well thought out/well executed play. By eliminating/speeding up the early game, they got rid of HALF of the variance of the game. Dont agree with the extra workers at start. Never agreed with the multiple vespene geysers.... never agreed with the game becoming "race to 200/200 and fight and gg" Speak for yourself. You have a nostalgia boner and that's totally fine. The mechanics of Broodwar were necessitated because of the technology available at the time. Just because that is what it was then doesn't mean that's the way it has to be now when the tools we have at our disposal give us so much more we can do. Is SC2 faster paced than BW? Yes! But I would expect it to be now that we don't have the kind of limiting factors that shaped BW into what it was, like unit select size and complexity of the engine. Never agreed with multiple vespene geysers? That's almost pre-BW talk even. That's really old school. I can understand and appreciate your opinion, but it's an old and outdated one that refuses to acknowledge that we can do better than we did, and just says that we have to do things the way they were done "in my day" because "That's what I'm used to and I refuse to accept that change can be good". If I'm wrong please let me know. I'd love to have a discussion on this issue because though I played SC1 and BW from the time they released I see SC2 as an all around improvement on everything BW tried to be but fell short of. | ||
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RealEyes
3 Posts
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On June 28 2016 11:15 mrarthursimon wrote: Speak for yourself. You have a nostalgia boner and that's totally fine. The mechanics of Broodwar were necessitated because of the technology available at the time. Just because that is what it was then doesn't mean that's the way it has to be now when the tools we have at our disposal give us so much more we can do. Is SC2 faster paced than BW? Yes! But I would expect it to be now that we don't have the kind of limiting factors that shaped BW into what it was, like unit select size and complexity of the engine. Never agreed with multiple vespene geysers? That's almost pre-BW talk even. That's really old school. I can understand and appreciate your opinion, but it's an old and outdated one that refuses to acknowledge that we can do better than we did, and just says that we have to do things the way they were done "in my day" because "That's what I'm used to and I refuse to accept that change can be good". If I'm wrong please let me know. I'd love to have a discussion on this issue because though I played SC1 and BW from the time they released I see SC2 as an all around improvement on everything BW tried to be but fell short of. Except BW is rising in popularity, while SC2 has been declining since WoL. Look at stream numbers literally on TL at this very second... BW top 2 streamers have combined 5700 viewers. Top 2 of SC2 have 1600. Comparing one of the most long-lasting and most successful RTS of all times in terms of playerbase and popularity, to its successor which hasnt managed to stay relevant over a period of half the length. So obviously a majority of people who enjoy the RTS genre disagree with you. I wouldnt even agree that SC2 is faster paced than BW... it just skips the early and mid game, and rushes everyone to the late game, in every single match, removing a lot of depth of the game. Whereas BW had a lot more time for an early and mid-game to develop. Saying BW was limited by the tech of the time, and those things held it back..when they didnt, even if only accidentally, they actually improved the game. I wont argue with you that BW accidentally stumbled on a more balanced, and better designed game, even if those choices were forced on them by tech limitations. But there is no point in hopping in this thread to argue with you about why BW is superior, and even though Blizzard worked so hrd to squash it to make room for SC2, it is looking more and more likely that BW is going to outlast SC2 as a competitive title. I am done trying to salvage SC2 into a game I want to play/enjoy. Because too many cling to the "Its so much better now! You just have rose tinted glasses!" Enjoy your dead game then, and keep refusing to acknowledge there are things you could have learned from your previous title, and implemented in order to have increased your games' success And I wont even bother getting into BW vs Sc2 when it comes to user generated content, accessibility, and the fact that BW despite being 10+ years older, had a better implemented system to allow user generated content to become popular, and add longevity to the UMS scene of their game. Bnet 2.0 has been a joke since its implementation. | ||
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Jealous
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stevorino
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
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Infiiiniity
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