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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 21 2013 11:15 GMT
#41
On August 20 2013 23:35 Soke wrote:
Lol @ Zerg with 3%. It's kind of true though. ATM Zerg seems to be the weakest but it's overall good balance.

I get the feeling that high-end Zergs don't have room much to differentiate themselves from "really damn good" zergs.

Same with Protoss, though. But in a different sort of way.
DeathDyingDoomKiller
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada91 Posts
August 21 2013 12:06 GMT
#42
Protoss isn't as good when you're playing people you know nothing about, (what Dear said at MLG)
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
August 21 2013 14:14 GMT
#43
On August 21 2013 18:47 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
Haha that poll !

Interesting, because I just got aware of Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo esports scene, and was a bit surprised to learn that the game is actually imbalanced, that there's an official list of "which fighers are better in X or X match-up", and that seems not to harm that much the game...


prolly because unlike in sc2 you don't just play one fighter, you play them all (or at least more than one) right?
The reason that sc2 is different in that racial imbalances cause the game to suffer is that, if one race is blatantly weaker/stronger than the others, people will get frustrated with playing because they can't really just switch their race like fighters in a fighting game.


True, but I've seen some of these top Koreans off race and still win games all the way up in GM. Going Random/learning more than one race is challenging, but when you already have the mechanics and control, you're most of the way there. Its just knowledge at that point.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
August 21 2013 15:14 GMT
#44
I also like the balance ATM. Of course there are still some imbalance but there shouldn't be any reason for whining right now.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
August 21 2013 15:18 GMT
#45
On August 21 2013 23:14 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 18:47 dNa wrote:
On August 21 2013 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
Haha that poll !

Interesting, because I just got aware of Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo esports scene, and was a bit surprised to learn that the game is actually imbalanced, that there's an official list of "which fighers are better in X or X match-up", and that seems not to harm that much the game...


prolly because unlike in sc2 you don't just play one fighter, you play them all (or at least more than one) right?
The reason that sc2 is different in that racial imbalances cause the game to suffer is that, if one race is blatantly weaker/stronger than the others, people will get frustrated with playing because they can't really just switch their race like fighters in a fighting game.


True, but I've seen some of these top Koreans off race and still win games all the way up in GM. Going Random/learning more than one race is challenging, but when you already have the mechanics and control, you're most of the way there. Its just knowledge at that point.


You're right. But I wouldn't bet on any top korean beating another top korean when he is off-racing. You still have to choose one race to perfect. That's also why we have no Random-Player in the Pro-Scence.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 19:16:12
August 21 2013 15:40 GMT
#46
Isn't it obvious?
.............
Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
August 21 2013 15:55 GMT
#47
Lol this is the one thread where the mods won't give you a warning for saying Toss OP.
NaNiwa <3
iGn1t3
Profile Joined May 2011
Hong Kong73 Posts
August 21 2013 16:02 GMT
#48
yea toss is op.
I lose today to win tomorrow.
Pandahunterz
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands213 Posts
August 21 2013 16:34 GMT
#49
toss op, terran needs to reworked (widowmines are too luckbased for it's impact) and blizz just doesn't know what to do with zerg: they see zerg has problems with being able to do all the things at the same time they need for lategame. so instead of the logical solution: making good multitasking, macro and lategame unitcontrol more rewarding, they are looking to buff ultra's basically saying zerg needs to become a 1-A race, which should be avoided at all costs!
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
August 21 2013 17:46 GMT
#50
I am a zerg player (but I don't play much, I mostly watch) voting that there is no significant imbalance. I believe that is true because right now it seems predictions of upcoming games are based more on who we think is a more skillful player (of course, sprinkled with taking into consideration factors such as Artosis curse and Bomber law), than basing it on what race we perceive to be strongest in a matchup, with map pool taken into consideration.

We see all races winning tournaments, which is nice. I hope this state of good balance will last a while, because it makes the game more enjoyable to watch than ever
Parting
Dirtyharry
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany171 Posts
August 21 2013 17:49 GMT
#51
On August 21 2013 09:53 ninazerg wrote:
I feel like Zerg is far too strong at the moment.

jep, i hope for an foreign Terran or Protoss champion
I was in Ravenholm
Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
August 21 2013 18:19 GMT
#52
Depends on the level. If the Terran plays perfectly aka Innovation, then Terran seems strong. But in master league I have to say it is pretty mind boggling how strong Protoss is.
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
August 21 2013 18:48 GMT
#53
The Game is pretty well balanced. I think Zerg is just SLIGHTLY.... VERY SLIGHTLY weaker but overall i think its pretty even across the board.

People who complain just want to get easy wins from previous buffs they used to have. If you having trouble beating a certain race then you need to change your approach to playing... Thats what i did and i am really enjoying playing again. Even when i lose a close match i enjoy it because i learn and apply that to the next game.
www.twitch.tv/jornada28 Master Protoss. Follow me on Twitter for SC2 Updates https://twitter.com/#!/elelvlent
kisoso
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria105 Posts
August 21 2013 19:35 GMT
#54
"protoss > noone > terran > zerg"
as expected
TimKim0713
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)221 Posts
August 21 2013 20:33 GMT
#55
Let's be honest here.
Poll: Did you choose your own race?

LOL (34)
 
53%

no (21)
 
33%

yes (9)
 
14%

64 total votes

Your vote: Did you choose your own race?

(Vote): no
(Vote): yes
(Vote): LOL



DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
August 21 2013 20:51 GMT
#56
On August 21 2013 00:10 Mura19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:52 dNa wrote:
I feel like everything will come into place. Terrans need some time to figure out some way to punish too greedy protosses but overall yay balanced. :D
<- Terran


What? I'ts impossible for Protoss to me more greeedy than command center first :S


Going for early 3 nexus is a part of the meta at the moment and there's been no super reliable way of shutting it down presented by Terran. 14cc may be more greedy in the early game but in the early->mid transition, Protoss has it much easier and much greedier (if they choose to play that way).
"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
August 21 2013 21:13 GMT
#57
the discussion in this thread can only lead to good things ^^
xxxKagexxx
Profile Joined August 2012
France43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 03:42:40
August 21 2013 21:30 GMT
#58
nothin
xxxKagexxx
Profile Joined August 2012
France43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 21:38:52
August 21 2013 21:34 GMT
#59
On August 22 2013 03:48 Jornada wrote:
The Game is pretty well balanced. I think Zerg is just SLIGHTLY.... VERY SLIGHTLY weaker but overall i think its pretty even across the board.

People who complain just want to get easy wins from previous buffs they used to have. If you having trouble beating a certain race then you need to change your approach to playing... Thats what i did and i am really enjoying playing again. Even when i lose a close match i enjoy it because i learn and apply that to the next game.



Or you just don't played 40 game in a row toss all in as terran, way to be master, when you had 59%(for each match up) last season(New season play only vs all in 20% win vs toss !!!).
Try it you'll see how it goes !!!
come back give us your opinion !!!! THX !
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 21 2013 22:48 GMT
#60
On August 21 2013 18:47 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
Haha that poll !

Interesting, because I just got aware of Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo esports scene, and was a bit surprised to learn that the game is actually imbalanced, that there's an official list of "which fighers are better in X or X match-up", and that seems not to harm that much the game...


prolly because unlike in sc2 you don't just play one fighter, you play them all (or at least more than one) right?
The reason that sc2 is different in that racial imbalances cause the game to suffer is that, if one race is blatantly weaker/stronger than the others, people will get frustrated with playing because they can't really just switch their race like fighters in a fighting game.


It depends, the documentary I've seen on EVO2013 showed that you can have both. Some players will stick to their main even in a blatanlty unfavorable match-up, while others won't hesitate to switch inside Bo3 for example, if they feel they can surprise, or just to get a more favorable match-up.
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