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The thing about it is even if it was an SC2 only league, the games would still be bad coming from a lot of players given that there are still some of them playing in OSL.
One thing I find cool though is how the teams switch the players between games. It was kind of funny seeing motive look like probably the best KeSPA sc2 toss right now, and then play like crap in his BW game. But at the same time, at least we got to see them play more BW games.
And it is pretty cool to see how rapidly these guys are improving. When you consider the fact that most of them have only been playing sc2 for 2 months (going by the JD/Bisu interview) it seems remarkable that they are playing as well as they are.
JD and Flash's SC2 games were pretty embarassing though...
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Didn't get into brood war, and putting it next to starcraft 2 is just making it less appealing. They just need to give it the proper send off.
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I think it´s funny and interesting to watch, but that emphazis on sc2 (Ace match) is too much, since the actual quality of sc2-games is not even top ladder... But I enjoy it anyways
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
I can understand why Kespa did it this way but it's not great for the players or viewers. The players have to split their time between two games so don't excel at either which makes the viewing experience worse. A better solution would have been to keep this season BW and change fully next season announcing that when they did. Also a longer break between season 2 & 3 would have given the players a decent chance to transition. However, this could have gone a lot worse and this seasons PL has been enjoyable so far.
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On May 24 2012 04:06 plogamer wrote:
A lot of folks are quite gung-ho against this.
But they're missing out on the fact that this is a step forward. It is difficult, with growing pangs, but I dont buy that it is 'unfair' for the professional players. They all have to do this. Since the competition is decided by competing against other players, they are on a 'fair' level field.
Starcraft 2 adds another dimension into the tournament, especially in team leagues. Now, it's not just between picking your best TvT'er, best TvP'er.. et al. but also your best SC2 player in the corresponding matchups.
This hybrid format also protects the BW players. If the prize pool was divided between BW and SC2 and held as two consecutive tourneys (one for BW, one for SC2); the current SC2 pros could join the SC2 one and take away a chunk of the prize pool. The fact that BW is mixed with SC2 locks out the current SC2 pros (ala GSL), who don't have nearly the same level in BW.
Now I don't understand the system 100%. Maybe GSL competitors would not be allowed to play in a distinct SC2 league on pro league. But I just can't see how they could justify doing that - legally or otherwise. Get competitors to sign a type of non-compete that prevents them from playing in other tourneys? That would completely infringe on the players, and create a rift between SC2 and BW on the management level. GSL would be pissed off, GSL team managers would be pissed off. It would set a precedent of hostility rather than co-operation.
While I'm all for competition, currently, SC2 and BW both can't survive a war against eachother.
It is unfair for pro players because you can't possibly expect them to become as good or catch up to players in the GSL or even Code B SC2 pro players with the way it is. It doesn't matter if Flash is a superhuman, if he had to play SC2 and BW at the same time for the rest of his career, he would never be able to catch up to someone like Mvp. Even if he did play SC2 completely and fully switched over, just the fact that most of the pro players for SC2 have been playing for 2 years and have a much better understanding of that game's metagame makes it a lot harder for BW players to learn. I can't imagine how stressful it would be as a pro player to have to learn a new game as fast as you can while also trying to perform as well as you can in BW.
The only reason they 'have' to do this is because KeSPA says they 'have' to do this. There's no real reason besides trying to get hardcore BW fans (there are a lot in Korea) to watch SC2 because their heros are playing it now. In fact the best possible thing for the players would be to have a final Proleague and Starleague, then have maybe a 2 month break for them to learn SC2, then start fully switching over to SC2 and start thinking about sending KeSPA players to GSL when they get good enough.
Also current SC2 players would not be able to join. Even former KeSPA players can't join a KeSPA tournament. JulyZerg for example, after leaving BW is considered an amateur at BW by KeSPA and he isn't allowed to play BW for a min of 3 years (not that it matters now...). KeSPA is VERY strict about the way players are scheduled to play and what they can do. The BW pros are basically at the whims of their KeSPA overlords, which was fine when they were playing BW for years but forcing them to suddenly have to play two games is just unfair and it's clearly being done only for the money.
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i like brood war and i like sc 2 however i don't follow brood war nearly as much as i used to. For me the biggest problem is the fact that the players have to practice for both games and i don't like that. i feel bad for the still die hard bw fans but i am really siked to see what the dong and flash can do when they practice sc2 full time. ^_^
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What I am wondering though is how many teams or players are only training in SC2, because if I was a coach or a player and not in the OSL all I would be playing is SC2. It not only counts for only more in the Proleague, but it is what I would be switching over to anyways so why not try to get to the highest level of skill that I could as quickly as possible
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They're just hurting fans of each game continuing to broadcast like this. I might tune in every now and then if I hear a big name playing, but it's not to view high level bw or sc2. It's to giggle at bw playing sc2. I understand the business perspective of introducing bw fans in Korea to sc2 using their current stars to make it easier. It's a nice move from that perspective-they might lose less to LoL/dota2 with fans looking for a new game to follow.
In the meantime, their only hope of rectification is BW teams putting a big push to SC2 so the average quality of the twin broadcast rises. Sc2 fans seeing their game played well and learning bw. Bw fans seeing a good pro league start and gritting their teeth through Sc2. Still would prefer a non mixed league until they decide to end pro league.
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Extremely hard on the players, esp with those who are still in the OSL. Will be interesting to see how the seaon goes and the views vs GSL
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Kespa is making their player's lives completely miserable because they don't have the guts to either continue with BW all the way or else just switch to SC2 and face the consequences. Instead of actually making a decision and sticking by it, Kespa has created one of the absolutely worst-thought-out attempts at a "trial balloon" I've ever seen. It's simply ridiculous from a game quality standpoint, a player standpoint, a fan standpoint, or even a business standpoint. It's, frankly, completely ridiculous.
Can you guess how I voted?
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I really love mixed Proleague.
It was just necessary to happen  , but I am enjoying it!
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as a spectator i love it
i would imagine that it is quite hard for the players but it's a good trasition into pure sc2
i like it 
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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On May 25 2012 03:06 flamewheel wrote:
Fuck it with fire.
that sound painfull
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just a way to optimise broodwar watchers conversion to sc2 ... kill it with fire
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Never touched brood war, so I don't have the whole nostalgia thing that most other people have but I can understand how much other people love that game. If, as stork has said, the players aren't being consulted, this is just stupid. And having the sc2 ace match is just... what? I hope Kespa doesn't balls up the sc2 scene in korea has much as they seem to have done with brood war.
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It's a terrible decision that will only result in terrible games. I say this as someone who watches primarily SC2 these days.
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Either leave BW alone, or kill it completely. Stop amputating it and give us half assed games.
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On May 25 2012 06:04 a_flayer wrote:
It's a terrible decision that will only result in terrible games. I say this as someone who watches primarily SC2 these days.
That's the thing most people here seem to not get, this league is NOT meant for SC2 viewers, the level of play is just not up to our standards because those are not SC2 pros.
This format is to help SC1 fans get into SC2 by "forcing" them to at least watch a little bit of it, and maybe they'll think it's not that bad, I don't know if it'll work but that's what they're trying to accomplish, to get the SC1 crowd onboard.
If Kespa simply killed SC1 just like that those fans would be angry and the last thing they would want to do is go watch a game they consider "inferior" that none of their favourite players play, but now they'll have to take SC2 seriously because their idols are playing it in televised matches alongside SC1.
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