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Darkfrog
Profile Joined December 2011
Austria211 Posts
May 23 2012 13:54 GMT
#61
I never followed broodwar. I'm one of those starcraft newbs. But I respect and understand what broodwar did for eSports and thus I think it's not getting the respect it should have. Let it end in a blaze of glory not like this.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
May 23 2012 13:56 GMT
#62
Let's see... Bad SC2 games in bad quality, and BW games that are often very lacking due to players not focusing on a single game.

Kill it.
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Stuk
Profile Joined May 2012
France63 Posts
May 23 2012 14:18 GMT
#63
Broodwar deserved to die decently. With this format I only see a long and painful end for this awesome game.

I have followed both BroodWar and the Starcraft2, and from what I have seen of this hybrid, both games matches ends up being terrible to watch. And it's not good for the players neither.
Kill this abomination with fire !
Vae Victis !
clownfish
Profile Joined December 2010
Angola25 Posts
May 23 2012 15:13 GMT
#64
never played broodwar and never bothered watching it but the sc2 games are just atrocious. IMO they should either keep a bw league or just run one final league and give bw a worthy exit and subsequently give their players time to play and adjust to sc2.
deo1
Profile Joined April 2010
United States199 Posts
May 23 2012 16:06 GMT
#65
Motive bonjwa!

The goal is to transition Korean BW fans into understanding SC2. Problem is I don't think this format is going to accomplish that goal. The players/coaches/observers/casters are still learning and just watching on stream it doesn't feel like the crowd's going for it.
Poooooor Protoss.
Spooony
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom108 Posts
May 23 2012 16:08 GMT
#66
On May 24 2012 01:06 deo1 wrote:
Motive bonjwa!

The goal is to transition Korean BW fans into understanding SC2. Problem is I don't think this format is going to accomplish that goal. The players/coaches/observers/casters are still learning and just watching on stream it doesn't feel like the crowd's going for it.


You couldn't get a much worse introduction tbh. They should have made a deal with GOM to have GSL and Proleague run in the same venue for a season.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
May 23 2012 16:23 GMT
#67
On May 23 2012 19:08 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 17:41 endy wrote:
And by the way, it's really not respectful to say "BW is dead get over it". You can say something like that to someone who broke up with his girlfriend after a few months, because he can find a new one, probably a better one. But in this situation it's more like your wife of 12 years just died in a car accident and you ask us to get over it.
I'm really trying my best to stay polite with you.


Its a game. Not a person. Dear jesus. Are you even reading what you're saying?

Its. A. Game.

A good one, that has lasted a long time, but a game.


For some of us it was more than a game. It was a sport, a friend who was there when we needed him.

The death of BW marks the death of the only true E-sports. What we have today is competitive gaming.
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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 16:29:26
May 23 2012 16:24 GMT
#68
It has novelty value for a one time deal type of thing. I think it's alright as a transition phase, even if it does put pressure on the players. I only think that's temporary though. I imagine once the BW OSL ends and OGN starts up it's SC2 league all teams will most likely practice SC2 exclusively. The SC2 games will only get better over time and well, the BW games being great isn't really the purpose of the season so yeah they'll gradually decline.

I guess if it's really giving players a hard time by mid season after the last BW OSL (if it's the last) KeSPA might change it to full on SC2. By then the BW fans should already be acquainted with SC2 and that was kind of the point of this hybrid season in the first place.
Taengoo ♥
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
May 23 2012 17:06 GMT
#69
Voted "Kill that abomination with fire".
Was hesitating with "Not so hot, but it's a necessary transition.step."
I do not think it's a necessary transition, i would have loved to watch broodwar for the next 20 years and a 100% broodwar league.
I know the transition will happen one day but for me it's not necessary and not something i'm eager to see.
I love starcraft2 and i love broodwar, i'm just still so sad to see bw starting to disappear

On the other hand i'm pretty excited about flash and jaedong but they both said it was really hard to play both games and so we all know what it means.. Soon enough they'll only play one game, the one which still has sponsors.

So what if jaedong suck at starcraft2 ? I can't believe this will happen but what if ? No more jaedong
And that makes me a sad puppy.
Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
May 23 2012 18:10 GMT
#70
It's really awful. I've decided to tune out during the sc2 games, as much as I like the players, I really don't care about seeing them play poorly at a game they are not that amazing at. Some of the english commentators are really bad as well, I tried listening into them and not only did *some* of them make BW seem like a old shitty game they just wished would go away, but just couldn't even comment on it correctly, saying things that were just wrong. It really left a bad impression on me.
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plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
May 23 2012 19:06 GMT
#71
A lot of folks are quite gung-ho against this.

But they're missing out on the fact that this is a step forward. It is difficult, with growing pangs, but I dont buy that it is 'unfair' for the professional players. They all have to do this. Since the competition is decided by competing against other players, they are on a 'fair' level field.

Starcraft 2 adds another dimension into the tournament, especially in team leagues. Now, it's not just between picking your best TvT'er, best TvP'er.. et al. but also your best SC2 player in the corresponding matchups.

This hybrid format also protects the BW players. If the prize pool was divided between BW and SC2 and held as two consecutive tourneys (one for BW, one for SC2); the current SC2 pros could join the SC2 one and take away a chunk of the prize pool. The fact that BW is mixed with SC2 locks out the current SC2 pros (ala GSL), who don't have nearly the same level in BW.

Now I don't understand the system 100%. Maybe GSL competitors would not be allowed to play in a distinct SC2 league on pro league. But I just can't see how they could justify doing that - legally or otherwise. Get competitors to sign a type of non-compete that prevents them from playing in other tourneys? That would completely infringe on the players, and create a rift between SC2 and BW on the management level. GSL would be pissed off, GSL team managers would be pissed off. It would set a precedent of hostility rather than co-operation.

While I'm all for competition, currently, SC2 and BW both can't survive a war against eachother.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
May 23 2012 19:39 GMT
#72
I don't like the combination, I wish there was just two seperate leagues and players could compete in both if they so choose to.

But it has gotten me to watch BW so I guess that's a good thing, Although I still don't know enough to find it as exciting as I do sc2, but I think that'll improve in time.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
May 23 2012 19:54 GMT
#73
What I like about it is that it might help grow the popularity of sc2 in Korea among the BW fans.
dylan522p
Profile Joined May 2012
United States38 Posts
May 23 2012 20:06 GMT
#74
Im not a fan its a nessecary evil. This hybrid forces bad SC2 games which I expected, but also bad BW games. TT_TT
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
May 23 2012 20:15 GMT
#75
I personally think it's a horrible idea. Making progamers focus on both games will result in both games being played on a shit level.
Maybe make 1 season BW, 1 season SC2? Or make separate teams/matches for each game, just show them like they're doing right now?

Either way, it's probably necessary, but they sure chose the WORST method possible to bridge the gap.
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GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 20:39:39
May 23 2012 20:38 GMT
#76
On May 24 2012 01:23 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 19:08 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On May 23 2012 17:41 endy wrote:
And by the way, it's really not respectful to say "BW is dead get over it". You can say something like that to someone who broke up with his girlfriend after a few months, because he can find a new one, probably a better one. But in this situation it's more like your wife of 12 years just died in a car accident and you ask us to get over it.
I'm really trying my best to stay polite with you.


Its a game. Not a person. Dear jesus. Are you even reading what you're saying?

Its. A. Game.

A good one, that has lasted a long time, but a game.


For some of us it was more than a game. It was a sport, a friend who was there when we needed him.

The death of BW marks the death of the only true E-sports. What we have today is competitive gaming.



You're comparing the changing face of a hobby to the death of someones WIFE OF TWELVE YEARS.

That isn't even just hyperbolic or excessive, its so much so those things, that the comparison is rendered entirely meaningless. There isn't a shred of similarity between the two, your comparison is so extreme.

In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 20:46:14
May 23 2012 20:45 GMT
#77
Not a fan of it at all. These guys are not good at SC2 and I have no patience to sit through horrible StarCraft just because some marketer thought it would be good to trick the fans into watching SC2. Whether it is BW or SC2, the main reason I like esports is because I want to watch the best players in the world. Each game is a sport of its own with its own top performers and that is who I want to see in tournaments.

I understand why it is happening, but it's not for me.
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Profile Joined March 2012
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 21:24:09
May 23 2012 21:22 GMT
#78
Its just horrible. They are only doing it for the sponsors and fans. Its basically just a marketing ploy.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
May 23 2012 21:31 GMT
#79
Kill it with fire and watch it burn.

You either do all SC2, or you do all BW. Look at the issues Stork brought up - Kespa half-assing their commitment to BW. Totally unacceptable. Having people train for two different games in the same league?! We're not running a biathlon here, or some kind of medley relay.
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Demorase
Profile Joined January 2012
136 Posts
May 23 2012 21:48 GMT
#80
It's a necessary step imo, BW has been around for 10 years I can understand why fans and players would need a last season before switching to SC2 for good.

It's the end of an era for them, and e-sport.
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