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Well, in fairness, Jangbi hasn't exactly played the strongest vP line-up either. Light is not a strong TvPer. Best is hot lately, but he's 2-6 in PvP in 2011, which is hardly convincing. Truthfully, Best's reputation for PvP is STILL a carry over from mid 2008. If you look closely at his record, he is 14-20 in (41%) in PvP since Jan 1, 2009, with only one brief hot streak in late 2010. Even if we include non-standard league games it's still only 19-24 (44%). Shuttle is fairly well known for his PvP, but he's never been an elite player and never been a sniper of Horang2's caliber, and he's on a 4 game loss streak, and is actually 5-6 (45%) in 2011 unless we count prelims... and who the fuck is ajuk12? So it's debatable how much that win is worth. And then of course we have the loss to Effort, who is something of a wildcard right now. I don't think it's safe to assume Effort's form is 100% yet, but how close to 100% is an important issue.
So, yeah, if we parse Jangbi's games then I'm inclined to give the nod to Flash. Granted we are operating on small samples with no data going back to OSL, but they were neck and neck then and I have Flash with an edge right now.
In terms of caliber of competition, SK looks fairly strong, but having gone through SK's results a little more intimately, [see this discussion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291961¤tpage=52#1032］, I am somewhat hesitant to hand over a top 3 just based on what he's done. He could of course continue this domination, in which case he will really have earned it, but let's not talk about the future. The fact that he hasn't faced an S-class player also weighs somewhat significantly.
Stork's kill list looks downright frightening. Fanta's also is very relevant, but it's only 2 games.
I really want to see another 2 games out of everybody before I make too many judgement calls.
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Okay, I don't know if anyone still reads this thread anymore (or cares), but now with a little more data things are starting to shape up... sort of. At this point it looks like Flash is the clear #1 candidate unless he drops a game.
Undefeated (with at least 3 games played): Flash, SK, Baby (4-0 each)
*note: just because a player is undefeated does not mean they should automatically be rated over someone who is, say, 4-1 or even 4-2, because context matters... however in the case of Flash he was #2 on the last rank and only not #1 because of Jangbi's meteoric rise
1-Loss: Stork (5-1), Stats, Effort (4-1 each), Fantasy, Piano (3-1 each)
2-Loss: Jangbi, Jaedong (4-2 each)
Going by stats alone, nobody else stands out. For instance, Hydra at 3-2 leaves me unimpressed, especially since he hasn't faced Terran (both his losses come from his "strongest" mu, ZvZ). That said, just because I haven't listed somebody doesn't mean that they are banned from PR or anything like that. Hydra and Bisu and maybe still Best are all still candidates, at the very least for CBNC.
Also on my mind for CBNC are players who have given strong performances, but not enough to be PR worthy. I was very impressed with Snow's game against Jaedong, especially in the control of the sair+archon vs muta+scourge.
The only "definite" I perceive right now is Flash #1. I'm hesitant to put Baby and SK in the top 3 over players who have proven they have what it takes in individuals. People are always tempted to hop on the bandwagon of an undefeated player, but we've been burned often enough in the past (e.g. Shine during his massive winstreak a year ago) that we ought to know better. If I have to choose, I'm more comfortable with giving the nod to Baby who was pulled some impressive wins over Jaedong and Flash in the past. By comparison, SK who seems so dominant statistically in ZvZ right now... has NEVER won a ZvZ series in his life against anybody, even in prelims. But in fairness to SK, other than his inability to win a ZvZ series to save his life, he is much more consistent and has been looking strong for a while.
Currently I'm leaning towards Stork as #2. I realize that Stork tends to come out strong at the start of a new season and then fade, and I also realize he's actually below Baby and SK in ELO due to his flopping around last season, but his kill list is pretty impressive and we know he can go the distance.
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Mortality, I care very much! I lurk this thread all the time, this was always the highlight of my month. This feature was what brought me to teamliquid in the first place. I'll wait forever knowing it'll come eventually.
But yeah, the lack of real dominators and the inability to send the best players out twice (whoopee, fewer games per day) must be kind of unnerving for a PR writer. Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking about it. :D
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i think the problem with deciding the number one for the next ranking is the decision to place jangbi as number one in the previous ranking...
the previous number one usually has to drop the ball or a contender should do something special to displace the reigning number one... i don't think anyone thinks jangbi has lost his form based on the games at the start of the season... on the contrary, i think jangbi is playing rather well... and with not a lot of games played, no one has had the opportunity to step up... but people still want to replace him after that warm fuzzy feeling of his fairy tale OSL wore off
it is true though that it has been a while since the last ranking, which might justify placing less emphasis on who the previous number one is....
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On December 30 2011 20:29 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
i think the problem with deciding the number one for the next ranking is the decision to place jangbi as number one in the previous ranking...
the previous number one usually has to drop the ball or a contender should do something special to displace the reigning number one... i don't think anyone thinks jangbi has lost his form based on the games at the start of the season... on the contrary, i think jangbi is playing rather well... and with not a lot of games played, no one has had the opportunity to step up... but people still want to replace him after that warm fuzzy feeling of his fairy tale OSL wore off
it is true though that it has been a while since the last ranking, which might justify placing less emphasis on who the previous number one is....
That doesnt matter nearly as much given the force of last PR is way lower than usual becuase the last PR was from september and we're in january now..
And flash has been way more impressive than jangbi, Don't denie it.
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Whoops wrong power rank thread! Sorry!
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