EPTPower Rank 02/01/2011 - Page 15
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On February 11 2011 11:55 bluetrolls wrote: If you believe there is some magic formula that can turn raw results into a power rank, you should go ahead, build the formula, apply it to the result lists I kindly linked in my previous post and publish it. It may be an awesome idea, but until there is some actual data it's hard to tell. If there is no such formula, then you already accept that PowerRank tracks other inputs beside the raw results. Edit. Just in case you still have some "world is either black or white" woes. Saying that the inputs for PowerRank include other considerations than the past month raw results does not mean that these results should have no weight whatsoever. They should have and do have a big weight, but they are not everything. That's all. Edit2. And then I realized I'm preaching to the choir: Here you go. Elo is pretty damn accurate as long as players have been playing games, and most of the people on the list have played enough games recently. Note that the top 6 players on the power rank are the top 6 players by Elo. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 I'm also secretely happy that JD will not be able to run away from Flash in terms of titles without earning it by beating him in a final. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4729 Posts
I actually thought that even the season he made double finals, he played below his former self (of course with the exceptions of some brilliant games, which he will always have), but the scene was so bad back then with the exception of Flash, so it didn't show. Speaking of PR, if Hydra wins the MSL, and does good in WL, I am ready to put him on #1 next month. What better measurement of Power could there be than taking down the tyrant in his very own matchup? But I'm getting ahead of myself, lots of matches to be played. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
that guy is so good atm. On an insane winning streak and it is not that he gets lucky in his wins (except the one against Bisu), he just plays good. He is the real deal. I want to see Hydra vs. Flash showdown when their teams meet. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On February 12 2011 18:59 Malinor wrote: I am really sad right now. But on the other hand, if JD manages to come back from this next season, my respect and love for him will reach astronomical heights. But watching his games for the last couple of months, I can actually see him be dethroned for real this time. + Show Spoiler + I actually thought that even the season he made double finals, he played below his former self (of course with the exceptions of some brilliant games, which he will always have), but the scene was so bad back then with the exception of Flash, so it didn't show. Speaking of PR, if Hydra wins the MSL, and does good in WL, I am ready to put him on #1 next month. What better measurement of Power could there be than taking down the tyrant in his very own matchup? But I'm getting ahead of myself, lots of matches to be played. I agree. The kid's got so much going for him right now. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
Anyway, although right now Hydra is clearly better, and I can't see any realistic scenario that would not have him end up over JD this month (and probably #1 or #2), I think its too early to jump the gun and say that Jaedong has been dethroned, although it is possible it will happen. Next season is what is really going to tell us that. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On February 12 2011 19:36 hitthat wrote: early 2011 is officially the trolliest season ever :D I thought the OSL was the OSL of trolls. I think that we have seen a troll even greater in the MSL. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
Only time will tell if Hydra becomes the heir to the Zerg throne but the moment he overtakes Jaedong in the KeSPA rank I'm calling it. Historically, all Zergs that were #1 of their race in KeSPA have held that spot continuously (i.e. never reclaimed it after losing it). | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
As for Jaedong, I really, really hope this series doesn't permanently break him. It seemed that ever since Hana Daetoo MSL finals, he hasn't shown the same type of dominance as he had in 2009, and has become more and more mentally shaken. If there's one Zerg who can make such a comeback, though, it's Jaedong. I still believe that he will make a comeback next season. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On February 12 2011 21:42 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I am not happy (understatement of the year) with the results in MSL, but congrats to Hydra. He should probably take #1 if he takes the MSL this time, though I'm hoping that great takes it. Goodness, I really hope that Great doesn't win the MSL. It would make the entire thing meaningless. We all already know that Great is a mediocre Zerg, always has been and always will be. His path to the finals was pretty easy (ZerO is notoriously atrocious in ZvZ and Kal hasn't really adapted to the new PvZ style making him quite weak in that matchup at the moment). Modesty could have made it too (showed he could beat Kal in the OSL and has excellent ZvZ), and so could Shine. If Hydra wins, especially in dominant fashion, then at least we have the possibility of a new S-Class Zerg emerging, something that I think would be awesome. | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
On February 12 2011 22:14 Goragoth wrote: Goodness, I really hope that Great doesn't win the MSL. It would make the entire thing meaningless. We all already know that Great is a mediocre Zerg, always has been and always will be. His path to the finals was pretty easy (ZerO is notoriously atrocious in ZvZ and Kal hasn't really adapted to the new PvZ style making him quite weak in that matchup at the moment). Well, given what happened in the MSL thus far: Flash knocked out at Ro32, Bisu out @ Ro16, Stork 3-0'ed, fantasy and Leta both dropping @ Ro32, and now JD, I'm not sure what to think about the MSL now. This entire season feels so weird to me. As for cheering for great, it's admittedly because I like  great better as a player. | ||
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bluetrolls
United States139 Posts
On February 12 2011 18:51 b0lt wrote: Here you go. Elo is pretty damn accurate as long as players have been playing games, and most of the people on the list have played enough games recently. Note that the top 6 players on the power rank are the top 6 players by Elo. Absolutely. But that's quite different from the very vocal "only (the last month's) results should count" opinion that has filled the past PowerRank comment pages ad-nauseam. Elo has history built in it, takes in consideration the relative strength of the opponents and does well when there are lots of games around. It's not a shallow "win OSL => number 1" recipe. | ||
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SpaceMarine[SC]
Canada49 Posts
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On February 12 2011 18:49 Holgerius wrote: Wow. I think we can say that JD is no longer the best Zerg in the world now. Feels weird. =/ Hydra is looking amazing. Hydra's zvz is looking amazing. Until he shows that he can hang with s-class tvzers, he's not the best zerg in the world. :/ | ||
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