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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 02:29:55
February 14 2011 02:28 GMT
#321
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.
RIP Aaliyah
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
February 14 2011 03:23 GMT
#322
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.


if flash gets another dual league next season you should write another final edit Doc! name it "GOD" or "Final Boss" or something like that.

there hasnt been a final edit for anything in a long while. everyone too busy to write a long article now days? =(
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mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 14 2011 07:50 GMT
#323
On February 14 2011 00:54 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 00:23 mnesthes wrote:
On February 14 2011 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Calm vs Jaedong was an awesome series. And iirc Kwanro vs Iris pretty interesting. This MSL Hydra vs JD was pretty good. The real gripe I think is that there are just too damn many ZvZ's. No Terrans at all in the Ro8 either.
Doesn't it kinda say something? Like Terran is a necessary evil. Without them, Zerg will run free and swarm us with unending ZvZ marathons.

Naw man, we have BISU for that.
You can say that when he finally makes it past the Ro16 of either league after 1.5 (and still counting) years of not doing so.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
February 14 2011 08:29 GMT
#324
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.

This reminds me to update the barcode graph (now annotated):
[image loading]

Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
February 14 2011 09:06 GMT
#325
On February 14 2011 17:29 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.

This reminds me to update the barcode graph (now annotated):
[image loading]



That's one way of highlighting a player's career; By his losses :D
Makes it alot easier to keep track of in Flash's case.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 14 2011 11:48 GMT
#326
On February 14 2011 17:29 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.

This reminds me to update the barcode graph (now annotated):
[image loading]



Lol that's awesome. What happened at GOM and the start of 09/10 PL? I hadn't started following the bw scene at the time yet.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
February 14 2011 12:05 GMT
#327
That's when Flash activated God-mode and started his legendary tear through all the leagues.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 14 2011 15:39 GMT
#328
Say, okum, how do you make all of these? They're very nice
I'd love to see the barcodes of all the TBLS up until now.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
February 14 2011 15:51 GMT
#329
On February 15 2011 00:39 mnesthes wrote:
Say, okum, how do you make all of these? They're very nice
I'd love to see the barcodes of all the TBLS up until now.

There was a whole thread about it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125325

Really nice job okum!
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 16:06:25
February 14 2011 16:05 GMT
#330
He wasn't slumping when he lost to Kwanro. Kwanro was underrated and Flash's TvZ hadn't come together yet. Back then everyone used to say "omg Flash, stick to the fucking SK Terran. It's all you're any good at."

Edit: grammar fail
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 16:13:26
February 14 2011 16:12 GMT
#331
Flash has basically never had a ''slump'' (depends on how you define it I guess). But I'd say that was the darkest moment in his career.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
February 14 2011 17:09 GMT
#332
On February 15 2011 01:12 Holgerius wrote:
Flash has basically never had a ''slump'' (depends on how you define it I guess). But I'd say that was the darkest moment in his career.


Not really. It was earlier that year in the Winners' League.

FOMOS interview, translated by MrHoon:

"Q: One of your toughest moments? What were the other harsh moments for you?
A: It was harsh when I was eliminated from both individual leagues last season. I was physically drained when I played against Best in the OGN Starleague. On Wednesday I played the Winner’s League, and the very same night I had to play in the OGN Starleague and the very next day I ended up crashing out of the MSL as well. I think that my current position would have been different had I handled the situation better. They should arrange the schedule so that such a thing does not happen in my opinion. I actually wanted to quit progaming after I dropped out of the MSL (laughs). It wasn’t just the harshness of the defeat; I was worn out by gaming in general. The schedule was just too tough. I was exhausted that I told my manager that I couldn’t go on."

He actually won 3 before losing the ace match against Upmagic. In the MSL he got BBS'd in the final game. Maybe he could have defended it, but he actually looked physically drained. I think in a different interview he said that he felt he hadn't been appreciated by the team at the time.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
February 14 2011 19:11 GMT
#333
On February 14 2011 16:50 mnesthes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 00:54 Lightwip wrote:
On February 14 2011 00:23 mnesthes wrote:
On February 14 2011 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Calm vs Jaedong was an awesome series. And iirc Kwanro vs Iris pretty interesting. This MSL Hydra vs JD was pretty good. The real gripe I think is that there are just too damn many ZvZ's. No Terrans at all in the Ro8 either.
Doesn't it kinda say something? Like Terran is a necessary evil. Without them, Zerg will run free and swarm us with unending ZvZ marathons.

Naw man, we have BISU for that.
You can say that when he finally makes it past the Ro16 of either league after 1.5 (and still counting) years of not doing so.


QFT. Bisu's performance is more a factor of this season's maps than anything else. Mark my words, Bisu will not make it to the Ro4 next season.
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
February 14 2011 22:24 GMT
#334
I agree that the end of the 08-09 season was probably Flash at his worst. They barely lost out to samsung for the 6th place spot in PL, Flash kept getting knocked out in crazy ways in the SLs, he couldn't beat the dragons consistently anymore..

The Kwanro loss did suck though lol.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
February 15 2011 00:05 GMT
#335
On February 15 2011 04:11 l0st_romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 16:50 mnesthes wrote:
On February 14 2011 00:54 Lightwip wrote:
On February 14 2011 00:23 mnesthes wrote:
On February 14 2011 00:17 Mortality wrote:
Calm vs Jaedong was an awesome series. And iirc Kwanro vs Iris pretty interesting. This MSL Hydra vs JD was pretty good. The real gripe I think is that there are just too damn many ZvZ's. No Terrans at all in the Ro8 either.
Doesn't it kinda say something? Like Terran is a necessary evil. Without them, Zerg will run free and swarm us with unending ZvZ marathons.

Naw man, we have BISU for that.
You can say that when he finally makes it past the Ro16 of either league after 1.5 (and still counting) years of not doing so.


QFT. Bisu's performance is more a factor of this season's maps than anything else. Mark my words, Bisu will not make it to the Ro4 next season.


I don't think that's the greatest bet to make. I admit that I don't regard Bisu as a favorite for next season, but he is a very strong player, no doubt. Maps are hardly the only reason why he is doing so well.

Bisu's big problem that has led to his slow decline is that he relies too heavily on beating his opponents into submission with superior mechanics. In 2007 that was enough to win Starleagues. In 2011 it isn't. If I were to compare them, I'd say that Jaedong also was similar back then. The big difference is that Jaedong grew out of it.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mumei
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
February 15 2011 02:00 GMT
#336
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.


Indeed. Flash's level of dominance is really stunning when you really look at it.

He's won 76% of his games since January 2009. He actually had at least one stretch where he stayed over 80% over the course of a hundred games. He's regularly in the mid-to-high 80s over the course of shorter periods (like now, when he's 83.33% (35 - 7) since the end of last season, or when he hit 2443 Elo and was at 88% (44 - 6) over the previous 50 games).

You can see the explosion in his win-rate between the beginning of 2009 (66.18%) and the middle of February 2011 (72.31%).

Flash Graph

+ Show Spoiler +
Through Month	Wins	Losses	Games	Percentage
April 2007 4 0 4 100.00%
May 2007 7 1 8 87.50%
June 2007 14 2 16 87.50%
July 2007 22 12 34 64.71%
August 2007 22 12 34 64.71%
September 2007 24 15 39 61.54%
October 2007 27 17 44 61.36%
November 2007 31 22 53 58.49%
December 2007 39 24 63 61.90%
January 2008 45 27 72 62.50%
February 2008 54 33 87 62.07%
March 2008 57 33 90 63.33%
April 2008 62 34 96 64.58%
May 2008 77 37 114 67.54%
June 2008 86 42 128 67.19%
July 2008 96 50 146 65.75%
August 2008 101 55 156 64.74%
September 2008 105 57 162 64.81%
October 2008 116 62 178 65.17%
November 2008 121 63 184 65.76%
December 2008 133 66 199 66.83%
January 2009 137 70 207 66.18%
February 2009 155 77 232 66.81%
March 2009 158 80 238 66.39%
April 2009 164 82 246 66.67%
May 2009 171 86 257 66.54%
June 2009 186 89 275 67.64%
July 2009 194 94 288 67.36%
August 2009 202 97 299 67.56%
September 2009 202 97 299 67.56%
October 2009 212 97 309 68.61%
November 2009 217 98 315 68.89%
December 2009 233 101 334 69.76%
January 2010 250 108 358 69.83%
February 2010 259 110 369 70.19%
March 2010 269 111 380 70.79%
April 2010 285 114 399 71.43%
May 2010 303 120 423 71.63%
June 2010 308 126 434 70.97%
July 2010 314 128 442 71.04%
August 2010 335 135 470 71.28%
September 2010 341 137 478 71.34%
October 2010 345 138 483 71.43%
November 2010 353 138 491 71.89%
December 2010 360 143 503 71.57%
January 2011 372 144 516 72.09%

dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
February 15 2011 19:50 GMT
#337
Only contenders for #1 are Flash and Hydra.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4729 Posts
February 15 2011 21:52 GMT
#338
On February 15 2011 11:00 Mumei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.


Indeed. Flash's level of dominance is really stunning when you really look at it.

He's won 76% of his games since January 2009. He actually had at least one stretch where he stayed over 80% over the course of a hundred games. He's regularly in the mid-to-high 80s over the course of shorter periods (like now, when he's 83.33% (35 - 7) since the end of last season, or when he hit 2443 Elo and was at 88% (44 - 6) over the previous 50 games).

You can see the explosion in his win-rate between the beginning of 2009 (66.18%) and the middle of February 2011 (72.31%).

Flash Graph

+ Show Spoiler +
Through Month	Wins	Losses	Games	Percentage
April 2007 4 0 4 100.00%
May 2007 7 1 8 87.50%
June 2007 14 2 16 87.50%
July 2007 22 12 34 64.71%
August 2007 22 12 34 64.71%
September 2007 24 15 39 61.54%
October 2007 27 17 44 61.36%
November 2007 31 22 53 58.49%
December 2007 39 24 63 61.90%
January 2008 45 27 72 62.50%
February 2008 54 33 87 62.07%
March 2008 57 33 90 63.33%
April 2008 62 34 96 64.58%
May 2008 77 37 114 67.54%
June 2008 86 42 128 67.19%
July 2008 96 50 146 65.75%
August 2008 101 55 156 64.74%
September 2008 105 57 162 64.81%
October 2008 116 62 178 65.17%
November 2008 121 63 184 65.76%
December 2008 133 66 199 66.83%
January 2009 137 70 207 66.18%
February 2009 155 77 232 66.81%
March 2009 158 80 238 66.39%
April 2009 164 82 246 66.67%
May 2009 171 86 257 66.54%
June 2009 186 89 275 67.64%
July 2009 194 94 288 67.36%
August 2009 202 97 299 67.56%
September 2009 202 97 299 67.56%
October 2009 212 97 309 68.61%
November 2009 217 98 315 68.89%
December 2009 233 101 334 69.76%
January 2010 250 108 358 69.83%
February 2010 259 110 369 70.19%
March 2010 269 111 380 70.79%
April 2010 285 114 399 71.43%
May 2010 303 120 423 71.63%
June 2010 308 126 434 70.97%
July 2010 314 128 442 71.04%
August 2010 335 135 470 71.28%
September 2010 341 137 478 71.34%
October 2010 345 138 483 71.43%
November 2010 353 138 491 71.89%
December 2010 360 143 503 71.57%
January 2011 372 144 516 72.09%



Could you do the same thing (the graph and the monthly-list in spoilers) for Jaedong also. Don't know how much time it would take you, but I would be very curious to see this for him as well. That's such an informative piece of statistics.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
February 15 2011 22:08 GMT
#339
On February 16 2011 04:50 dani_caliKorea wrote:
Only contenders for #1 are Flash and Hydra.


Too much of the month is left for that to be definitively stated. Someone not named Flash or Hydra could still go on an AK rampage. You never know. WL is like that. You just have to wait and see.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
February 15 2011 22:31 GMT
#340
On February 16 2011 06:52 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 11:00 Mumei wrote:
On February 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
holy shit i just looked at flashs record

is he ever going to slump? at worst he loses like 2 or 3 games in a whole month. this has been going on way too long.


Indeed. Flash's level of dominance is really stunning when you really look at it.

He's won 76% of his games since January 2009. He actually had at least one stretch where he stayed over 80% over the course of a hundred games. He's regularly in the mid-to-high 80s over the course of shorter periods (like now, when he's 83.33% (35 - 7) since the end of last season, or when he hit 2443 Elo and was at 88% (44 - 6) over the previous 50 games).

You can see the explosion in his win-rate between the beginning of 2009 (66.18%) and the middle of February 2011 (72.31%).

Flash Graph

+ Show Spoiler +
Through Month	Wins	Losses	Games	Percentage
April 2007 4 0 4 100.00%
May 2007 7 1 8 87.50%
June 2007 14 2 16 87.50%
July 2007 22 12 34 64.71%
August 2007 22 12 34 64.71%
September 2007 24 15 39 61.54%
October 2007 27 17 44 61.36%
November 2007 31 22 53 58.49%
December 2007 39 24 63 61.90%
January 2008 45 27 72 62.50%
February 2008 54 33 87 62.07%
March 2008 57 33 90 63.33%
April 2008 62 34 96 64.58%
May 2008 77 37 114 67.54%
June 2008 86 42 128 67.19%
July 2008 96 50 146 65.75%
August 2008 101 55 156 64.74%
September 2008 105 57 162 64.81%
October 2008 116 62 178 65.17%
November 2008 121 63 184 65.76%
December 2008 133 66 199 66.83%
January 2009 137 70 207 66.18%
February 2009 155 77 232 66.81%
March 2009 158 80 238 66.39%
April 2009 164 82 246 66.67%
May 2009 171 86 257 66.54%
June 2009 186 89 275 67.64%
July 2009 194 94 288 67.36%
August 2009 202 97 299 67.56%
September 2009 202 97 299 67.56%
October 2009 212 97 309 68.61%
November 2009 217 98 315 68.89%
December 2009 233 101 334 69.76%
January 2010 250 108 358 69.83%
February 2010 259 110 369 70.19%
March 2010 269 111 380 70.79%
April 2010 285 114 399 71.43%
May 2010 303 120 423 71.63%
June 2010 308 126 434 70.97%
July 2010 314 128 442 71.04%
August 2010 335 135 470 71.28%
September 2010 341 137 478 71.34%
October 2010 345 138 483 71.43%
November 2010 353 138 491 71.89%
December 2010 360 143 503 71.57%
January 2011 372 144 516 72.09%



Could you do the same thing (the graph and the monthly-list in spoilers) for Jaedong also. Don't know how much time it would take you, but I would be very curious to see this for him as well. That's such an informative piece of statistics.


As much as I love hard numbers, it's important to note that these kind of statistics only tell so much of the picture. For Flash, the ability to win Starleagues always went hand-in-hand with all around dominating statistics. For Jaedong I think the key has always been his tenacity in Bo5's.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
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