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joheinous
Profile Joined August 2010
Iceland522 Posts
January 18 2011 13:40 GMT
#81
I thought the new system would be horrible but it seems to get the better players through to the final. although it seemed that random groups with bo1 and some of the weirdest rules I have ever witnessed for the bracket matches would result in just random people getting through we have the best 8 finalists since the beginning of gsl imo.

maybe they've just had enough time to distinguish themselves from the rest a bit more though so I dunno.
Everything is self-evident
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
January 18 2011 14:47 GMT
#82
When I voted, I expected a 90% to 10% result in favor of GSL3... boy was I shocked O.o

Do people really prefer the jumbled and confusing GSL4 vs the straight forward GSL3? O,.o
"Everybody gotta die some time, righ'?" - Wraith Pilot
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
January 18 2011 15:04 GMT
#83
I wish there were more games in the group format, but I totally love the fact that so many different people meet up. Maybe best of 3 series? Although I'm sure time constraints have something to do with it.
Madsquare
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany157 Posts
January 18 2011 16:04 GMT
#84
I think groups are better but
-they should still be BO3
-It should be full round robbin, not the stuff we have right now


cheers,
madsquare
I do not obey any norms. I redefine standard with every thought I make.
BrahCJ
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia659 Posts
January 19 2011 02:17 GMT
#85
On January 18 2011 23:47 DarkGeneral wrote:
When I voted, I expected a 90% to 10% result in favor of GSL3... boy was I shocked O.o

Do people really prefer the jumbled and confusing GSL4 vs the straight forward GSL3? O,.o


Absolutely!
After watching a night or two of the GSL4 format, there isn't really a reason why you shouldn't understand it.
The GSL format means that someone can run into a VERY strong player, but still live to fight another day.

I use the example of Marine King v Jinro.
Two VERY good players. Jinro lost to Marine King, but that doesn't mean his journey ends. He gets a chance at redemption, and Marine King still needs to prove himself once (or twice) more. It takes away the "polarization" from each match. Say you're in a round of 32. Player D is better than player S. That doesn't mean player S shouldn't get a chance to progress through the season (provided he is good enough) and win more prize money. For all we know, in the round of 32, Player D could take the whole lot out. Player S could be a worthy second place contender.
Play the games!
durron597
Profile Joined December 2010
United States12 Posts
January 19 2011 03:07 GMT
#86
On January 15 2011 22:22 Kanil wrote:
I don't mind groups in theory, but the group format is awful.

MSL-style groups > GSL3 bracket > GSL4 groups.


+1
hellohilo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States68 Posts
January 19 2011 03:49 GMT
#87
Groups feel a lot better to me than the bracket system, though I wish they'd change the 2-0 automatic rule. We get to see a lot more matchups and there are a lot fewer series where one player cheeses his way to victory.
i once had a kitty. Kitty lurved me. Then suddenly kitty turned into a destroyer of worlds. T_____T
demitris
Profile Joined October 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 05:05:44
January 19 2011 04:17 GMT
#88
On January 15 2011 23:35 Plexa wrote:
The groups are better, but they leave much to be desired the ODT groups (now MSL groups) would be sooo much better. The group from today would have played out so much differently, say something like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
MC > clide
MKP > Jinro

MC vs MKP
Jinro vs Clide

And if MKP and Jinro won, we'd have Jinro vs MC for the final set.

Makes a lot more sense than the current format


I think you mean Rainbow, Clide was in Idra's group.

On January 17 2011 11:19 On_Slaught wrote:
You can keep a group system but for the love of god match up the groups differently after the RO16....

Why can't A hit C and B hit D? Or A and D and B and C?


I like the group system but its formatting is sightly flawed as you said. Players shouldn't be able to play each other in the Ro32 groups and than again in the Ro8. This is the sign of a bad system. Players should only have the chance to meet a second time in the tournament in the semi finals or finals. This is how the sytem should be setup:
Key: place group round ex: 1A32 = 1st place of group A in the round of 32
Round of 16
Group A
1A32
1B32
2C32
2D32
Group B
1C32
1D32
2A32
2B32
Group C
1E32
1F32
2G32
2E32
Group D
1G32
1E32
2E32
2F32
Round of 8
Left Bracket
1A16
2D16

1B16
2C16

Right Bracket
1C16
2B16

1D16
2A16
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
January 19 2011 17:37 GMT
#89
I would say GSL2 because you can ban maps.
You play to win
tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
January 19 2011 17:41 GMT
#90
I would love a hybrid. Instead of Bo1 group play, make it Bo3. Yes, I know it would take a hundred years to get through all the group permutations, especially with everyone tied 1-1, but Bo1 still opens up too much dependence on map selection and cheese. I know it won't happen, but fun to dream.. To answer the poll question, I like GSL4. Each player has to play at least two different opponents. More variance in styles and play in my opinion.
Goidelic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4 Posts
January 19 2011 21:51 GMT
#91
This format of group play will make more sense next season when there is seeding starting in the ro32. It makes more sense to give the top 2 seeds an advantage and a chance at 2-0 because of previous success.
"SCV is going to show off his minerals to the protoss players"
Lotar
Profile Joined September 2010
132 Posts
January 20 2011 02:35 GMT
#92
Groups are cool but BO1 is a terrible, terrible idea.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
January 20 2011 05:53 GMT
#93
I originally thought the GSL group system was terrible, but in retrospect, it worked out quite well, and had the better players advance in most cases.
♥
mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
January 20 2011 19:57 GMT
#94
I like the group ro32 and ro16. Except I would like to see round robin instead of this 1st/2nd/3rd/4th place determination. I wanna see them play everyone in their group.
BigJoe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States210 Posts
January 20 2011 22:18 GMT
#95
I love the GSL4 tournament style. I believe it really only allows the top players to advance.
kash2k
Profile Joined November 2010
139 Posts
January 21 2011 06:28 GMT
#96
I think it's amazing system they using now. And it aimed at improving in future seasons, as better players will move up and unlucky ones will drop out of Code S. Code S games are pearls and watching so many good players play each other in groups is much more rewarding that just see couple fight it off in bo5 and to the next round!

And later when game standard will be raised fights for Code S survival will be AMAZING!
Cheering for Kyrix, Genius, SlayerSBoxer and ret!
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
January 21 2011 11:44 GMT
#97
On January 15 2011 19:48 GTR wrote:
the group format would be fine if the matches determined after the initial two weren't so dumb.
should have just used the dual tournament format that has been used for over nine years in the bw scene. pretty easy to understand and placings are always determined in five games.


My thought EXACTLY. Their current group format is SOOO dumb. And there are games not meaning much in this format, like Nada vs Idra, Nada even says in interview he make a BO that didn't work anymore, because that game didn't mean much. I think I wouldn't watch these meaningless games anymore.
BroodWar forever
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
January 21 2011 15:45 GMT
#98
I want groups but they should be proper round robin groups
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-23 00:55:17
January 23 2011 00:54 GMT
#99
I like the MSL format better but saying that having winners play losers makes this worse than brackets is insane. I'm shocked that anyone is implying that.

On January 18 2011 23:47 DarkGeneral wrote:
When I voted, I expected a 90% to 10% result in favor of GSL3... boy was I shocked O.o

Do people really prefer the jumbled and confusing GSL4 vs the straight forward GSL3? O,.o



I find GSL4 pretty easy to understand. What is difficult to get about the group stages for you?
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
January 23 2011 08:30 GMT
#100
On January 15 2011 22:47 Heimatloser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2011 22:22 Kanil wrote:
I don't mind groups in theory, but the group format is awful.

MSL-style groups > GSL3 bracket > GSL4 groups.

at least ro32 should have been msl style.
ro16 im fine with gsl style

Agree 100%. msl group stage is more fair and always 5 games which is good.
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