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On June 15 2010 10:11 Athos wrote:
The exclusion of information is never a good idea in my eyes.
When I read threads in my head, my brain prioritiezes information this manner.
Good players: Lz, ret, nony
Adminstrators: the reds
Moderators: the blues
High post count
Short post count
Exactly my though process. High post count is a worthwhile factor to consider when reading advice. It at least gives some credence to them because if they were doing something stupid/spamming they would have made it that high. At the very least they have read and commented on many threads and that alone is good enough to offer a varied and informed opinion in most cases. I could give or take the join date, but I really like the post count.
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On June 15 2010 13:20 Redmark wrote:
I would think that a better question to ask is 'is there a reason to keep post count?' instead of the negative version - and I don't think there really is.
Frankly, judging the value of posts by post count (or skimming or scanning or whatever you want to call it) is stupid. It just means that you aren't reading all the posts. You should be able to tell whether a post is good or bad immediately, just by the content of the post. If you need to know how many posts a user has made to decide whether a post is good or not, you're probably not familiar enough with the subject matter for it to matter anyway.
Totally agree.
I'm sorry to offend like the whole TL community, but I genuinely can't think of any other main reason other than boosting your esteem if you post a lot and want the post count to be kept. Some like to express opinion, some don't. If you love expressing, good for you. People will easily see your name over and over again, and that's how you gain the 'respect' you crave; of course they will remember the general usefulness of your posts.
Date joined on the other hand would be a lot more useful. These lurkers don't express their opinions as much, but don't those who speak usually think more? I see no need for post count.
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I think they are fine as they are. I always know I can trust someone with +1000 posts. 
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I voted to keep as it is.
I collected data from the last 4 pages of the automated ban list thread, here are the results:
banned people with 2000 to 20000 posts = 5
banned people with 1000 to 2000 posts = 4
banned people with 500 to 1000 posts = 5
banned people with 1 to 500 posts = 52
so, from a user with a lower number of posts you have a higher chance of getting an awful post.
ofc that if we want reliable results from 500+ posters, we need way more data, like 100 pages. not viable for someone without database access...
it is not elitism, its pure math.
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Braavos36388 Posts
Well, post count will still be available to Moderators no matter what, the question is do you want to see it on top of every post made in the forum.
There are several options, one of which is removing it from the forum and having it viewable to everyone through profile. You will always be able to see a user's rank icon though, which functions similarly to post count but factors in join date.
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On June 15 2010 13:42 ilbh wrote:
I voted to keep as it is.
I collected data from the last 4 pages of the automated ban list thread, here are the results:
banned people with 2000 to 20000 posts = 5
banned people with 1000 to 2000 posts = 4
banned people with 500 to 1000 posts = 5
banned people with 1 to 500 posts = 52
so, from a user with a lower number of posts you have a higher chance of getting an awful post.
ofc that if we want reliable results from 500+ posters, we need way more data, like 100 pages. not viable for someone without database access...
it is not elitism, its pure math.
Pure math? This isn't pure maths, it's a bunch of statistics pulled from ad hoc forum data. Nothing pure maths about that. You pointed out the correlation, sure, but you neglected to consider that correlation does not amount to causation. It's true that people with lower post counts probably do post more ban-worthy stuff, but maybe not to the degree that you seem to be trying to say by pulling out those numbers. Did you ever consider that maybe people with a lower post count are accorded less leniency? I see high post count people getting away with poor one-liners like "this" and "qft" or "lol" all the time.
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Honestly it doesn't matter to me, if someone is going to judge me on my post count, they can go Beep and Beeping Beep a Beep Beep and then stuff that up a dogs Beep, don't forget to use grandma's hand lotion on the Beep.
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I just hate all the posts spamming stuff like "wooooo 500 posts!" Other than that i don't really care.
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If it's such a big deal why not just make it an option under profile settings or something?
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Best solution is to remove the sc2 section completely and move it to another domain.
Like teamliquidsc2.net or whatever with link on the buttom of original TL. Hiding post count or whatever won't prevent spamming.
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I love it the way it is, teamliquid would not feel the same without it.
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I wouldn't mind it gone... although initially I voted otherwise... I think having just the icon might encourage better behavior
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even if you take out post count, others will find a way to discriminate.
checking the quality of a post is probably more useful than dismissing it or accepting it purely based on post count.
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On June 15 2010 05:42 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 00:32 GreEny K wrote:
I think a join date should be applied to the user banner as well, I usually post with more respect to the older users, unless their posts are garbage and most of them are "LOL" "THAT WAS SWEET" "OMG" or my personal favorite "^" (to agree with the previous poster). Anyway, join dates with post counts would be cool. On a side note, since sc2 beta came out and the influx of new members I can definitely notice the difference in posts. You can tell when a post is made by a post beta member or by an old school BW player. Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 02:17 Grobyc wrote:On June 14 2010 21:24 arew wrote:Keep postcount as it is!  Like I said.
lol come on >.>
I don't do it often, I just didn't have anything new to add. fine as it is in my opinion
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Instead of post count, you could do a user-controlled seniority system, where you give a +1 or a thumbs up or something. That way you could directly see how useful someone's advice has been in the past. The postcount is just an automated way to get at the same information.
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On June 15 2010 06:31 NeV wrote:Show nested quote +
Just no.
When you see someone like Incontrol with 10K post, you know that probably he knows more about this website and sc in general than the Joe Noob and his 34 posts. And the point is, Tom Noob doesn't know either Joe Noob and Incontrol. So there is the post count to make the difference.
It's perfectly normal that people have an idea of how much someone they talk with has brought to this website.
I know the name of most 5K+ post user, because when I see a 5K+ post user, I read his name twice. I wouldn't know anybody except the mods without the post counts.
I partly agree with your point, but i repeat: this system would be ideal if everyone was wise enough not to judge the comments ONLY by the post count. Unfortunately that's not the case, and you can see it reading this thread. A lot of the people just ignore the comments from newcomers. Well, that's not fair and doesn't induce new users to give their contribute, and for example it's the reason why I have only 80 posts even if I've been on this site for 4 years: posting here is frustrating cause basically nobody cares if you haven't a high post count.
Yeah I agree with both sides of the argument. Biff is right, it's helpful to be able to identify who's been around for a while. Personally I don't have a problem remembering new users or old, if they post garbage i remember them with venom, if they post really well their name lights up to me as much as if it was in red.
Equally I see where the other side is coming from, particularly people who have been here for a while (greater than 1 year) but don't post all the time. They're probably just more quiet or thoughtful and considered opinion type people, who don't see a need to add their opinion to every thread, especially if it's just "LOL".
The key is read every post and not be overly biased towards new users. Elitism if it includes rudeness to new users should (and is) punished. Post spamming isn't usually punished, especially if the person otherwise provides content and this is as it should be too. Spamming isn't the end of the world if you write articles for us or give lots of insight. Hell, that's why old members who troll, flame and spam get away with it - because their worth is greater than any bad habits they might have. And even then, if you follow the ban-list you'll see plenty of big post names getting banned each week for over stepping the line.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2010 07:05 brendan.zerg116109 wrote:
I like how it is now but some things chould change. I found that people look down to the people that dont post that often. I see team liquid as a sight that is a tool for learning to play starcraft and whenever i see a noob, asking why sompthing is one way and they get banned because they are new to TL with there first 1-10 posts it makes me sad. The admins should not ban people for there opinions even if they are stupid. I feel like it scares new players to ask questions out of fear they will be banned. However they should for racism, trolls and the person that dose a huge "lol" to make more space in the chat. The post count should change to skill and ladder rank. Mabey since this sight is going to be 2 games, have what game u play or both.
I would love to have ranks of team liquid:
some idea's
Proplayer TLO, Day[9]'s aprentices, Husky's video addicts, tecys, timmies (day9 refrence)
A big <3 you TL =)
I don't think the skill part would work simply because people who are D or D+ in bw or silver in sc2 but provide great content should be recognised. TL isn't simply a strategy forum, but a place where people who love to watch sc/sc2 come together.
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you have less than 200 posts and are a completely new user.. i respect the inc date AND the participation, why remove it? For giving credit to new and NEWB posters?? I dont think so.
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But... but.. but I love scrolling through the sc2 forum and every post I read that screams 'idiot' to me has <200 posts or so.
If new users don't want to be judged by post count, then they should consider putting more effort and thought into their posts. (Who would have thought?)
I think things are fine the way they are. Join date is not necessarily accurate either. I browsed teamliquid for a looong time before finally needing to making an account to post.
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I think adding join date right next to Post Count would be awesome : ]
But of the options listed... keep it the same.
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