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On June 15 2010 14:27 Trang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 13:42 ilbh wrote:
I voted to keep as it is.
I collected data from the last 4 pages of the automated ban list thread, here are the results:
banned people with 2000 to 20000 posts = 5
banned people with 1000 to 2000 posts = 4
banned people with 500 to 1000 posts = 5
banned people with 1 to 500 posts = 52
so, from a user with a lower number of posts you have a higher chance of getting an awful post.
ofc that if we want reliable results from 500+ posters, we need way more data, like 100 pages. not viable for someone without database access...
it is not elitism, its pure math.
Pure math? This isn't pure maths, it's a bunch of statistics pulled from ad hoc forum data. Nothing pure maths about that. You pointed out the correlation, sure, but you neglected to consider that correlation does not amount to causation. It's true that people with lower post counts probably do post more ban-worthy stuff, but maybe not to the degree that you seem to be trying to say by pulling out those numbers. Did you ever consider that maybe people with a lower post count are accorded less leniency? I see high post count people getting away with poor one-liners like "this" and "qft" or "lol" all the time.
Although i agree with you that it isnt pure maths, the problem with it is different imo. I think i saw a lot of high post count members warned for 1 liner posts or such, and also some low post-count members get away with it... Its more just, the mods didnt care, or dunno, missed it or whatever. However my problem with the statistics is that it does not consider the total number of members in each category. For example i dont think there are as many members in the 1000 to 2000 category overall as in the 1-500... But maybe im wrong. Anyway it matters a lot! The other thing is, I would like to see a similar statistics but based on reg date (for comparison). I think however that post count matters more in some cases, while reg date in other. For example if the discussion is about pro SC, i tend to believe veteran posters more, on the other hand im pretty sure, that some1 who has much more forum experience than me (wrote more), and better english, could have made this post much much more comprehensible... 
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I love the join date idea. its a better thing
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hm .... i like join date better ..
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Join date is nice, post count is nice, but meh w/e don't really care.
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I voted before reading the join date idea. I like that. But I also like the postcount the way it is now, if only because I'm so used to seeing the big numbers beside archons, arbs, BCs, etc. and also for milestone posts I suppose. I thought for the most part forums implemented the hide-postcount policy when posters started spamming just for postcount? Afaik TL doesn't have much of that (other than mafia forum lololol)
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I dont really care,but I would leave it like it is.
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Post count: How big is YOUR starcraft penis?
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On June 14 2010 23:22 lolaloc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 23:03 Qwertify wrote:
Long Time Member + Large Post count = Veteran (<- this is the only logical thing to conclude)
Long Time Member + Small Post count = Lurker
Short Time Member + Large Post count = Spammer
Short Time Member + Small Post count = Newbie
There.
So as a long time member you think its alright to have a one word response after a quote? Trying to pad the post count are we? But I guess I'm a bigger bane on the community, and more of a noob, by being only registered a short time and having a much much lower post count. Like its been said already, time registered does not translate into time spent playing bw or time spent lurking on the site, its just another way for long time members to flex their superiority muscles over members who haven't been registered as long. I can remember coming here in 2005 for bw replays but I only registered a couple months ago. Also, I say get rid of post count completely. The quote above is a perfect example why.
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On June 15 2010 22:16 Helios.Star wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 23:22 lolaloc wrote:On June 14 2010 23:03 Qwertify wrote:
Long Time Member + Large Post count = Veteran (<- this is the only logical thing to conclude)
Long Time Member + Small Post count = Lurker
Short Time Member + Large Post count = Spammer
Short Time Member + Small Post count = Newbie
There. So as a long time member you think its alright to have a one word response after a quote? Trying to pad the post count are we? But I guess I'm a bigger bane on the community, and more of a noob, by being only registered a short time and having a much much lower post count. Like its been said already, time registered does not translate into time spent playing bw or time spent lurking on the site, its just another way for long time members to flex their superiority muscles over members who haven't been registered as long. I can remember coming here in 2005 for bw replays but I only registered a couple months ago. Also, I say get rid of post count completely. The quote above is a perfect example why.
Isn't that your problem that didn't make an account lol
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On June 15 2010 13:06 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 12:55 Jibba wrote:
I can't recall many of examples of people "prejudging" each other based on post number. I guess I might biased on whether they have a pro team selected (a quick way to judge if they followed BW) or when their join date is, but it usually doesn't change my reaction to them. If they say something retarded, then I'll just check their post history to see if they're like 60% SC2 forum, 40% Kpop thread.
On the other hand, I don't really see a reason to keep them either. I still like getting different icons, though. :x And the big 10k/20k posts. I've got no problem with elitism though. Yea, I really think it's just some phantom force people feel without it actually existing. I've never seen someone talk down to someone based on post count.
It's an unconscious decision. Why would anyone want to show all their cards before the hand is done?
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On June 15 2010 22:25 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 22:16 Helios.Star wrote:On June 14 2010 23:22 lolaloc wrote:On June 14 2010 23:03 Qwertify wrote:
Long Time Member + Large Post count = Veteran (<- this is the only logical thing to conclude)
Long Time Member + Small Post count = Lurker
Short Time Member + Large Post count = Spammer
Short Time Member + Small Post count = Newbie
There. So as a long time member you think its alright to have a one word response after a quote? Trying to pad the post count are we? But I guess I'm a bigger bane on the community, and more of a noob, by being only registered a short time and having a much much lower post count. Like its been said already, time registered does not translate into time spent playing bw or time spent lurking on the site, its just another way for long time members to flex their superiority muscles over members who haven't been registered as long. I can remember coming here in 2005 for bw replays but I only registered a couple months ago. Also, I say get rid of post count completely. The quote above is a perfect example why. Isn't that your problem that didn't make an account lol
So because I didnt create an account before some users, despite having played since i was 14 (26 now) I'm a noob and dont have anything useful to contribute to the community? Because thats pretty much what is being said by some on the previous pages. Also I'm pretty sure I made an account when was like 20 and cant remember wtf the password is (stopped using yahoo mail since then so i cant be 100% sure). You also didn't address the point I made that a long time member with a high post count only used a one word answer to respond to a quote, another reason given in this thread by users to completely get rid of post count. But according to many others here his opinion should be greatly valued over mine.
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Post count is pretty much a standard display amongst almost every forum I've ever visited, don't really see any reason to change it.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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Please please keep it as it is.
Postcounts - this is why kona is special :D
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Post count is useful,. but I'd like to see join date on there as well, since that's generally a better gauge on their time in the community, especially when related to if their roots are in SC1 or SC2.
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On June 15 2010 22:50 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 13:06 Chill wrote:On June 15 2010 12:55 Jibba wrote:
I can't recall many of examples of people "prejudging" each other based on post number. I guess I might biased on whether they have a pro team selected (a quick way to judge if they followed BW) or when their join date is, but it usually doesn't change my reaction to them. If they say something retarded, then I'll just check their post history to see if they're like 60% SC2 forum, 40% Kpop thread.
On the other hand, I don't really see a reason to keep them either. I still like getting different icons, though. :x And the big 10k/20k posts. I've got no problem with elitism though. Yea, I really think it's just some phantom force people feel without it actually existing. I've never seen someone talk down to someone based on post count. It's an unconscious decision. Why would anyone want to show all their cards before the hand is done?
Are we just throwing out unrelated analogies now, or did you just pull the carpet out from under my feet?
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Dump the post count. A few admins have been making bad decision lately on good post based souly on users low post count. Or keep it up and get transfer out the bad admins.
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Imagine if there was NO post count in place.
Would you vote for introducing it? I don't think so, I think many people are opposing this just because that's what humans do - oppose things, all things.
I vote remove it.
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On June 16 2010 00:15 Executioner.zealot wrote:
Dump the post count. A few admins have been making bad decision lately on good post based souly on users low post count. Or keep it up and get transfer out the bad admins.
Can you cite examples? You realize we can see your post count, frequency, placement, join date, akas and tons of other stats in your user info, right? I'm not sure how you are inferring that any action is based on post count. Further, if we removed it, everyone would still be able to see it in your profile.
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i dont really care, if its removed id say keep it in the profile though, because that just seems like a proper place to find it.
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