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Actually one of the biggest reasons why this forum turns me off so much is from seeing the rampant elitism and arrogance of a lot of the users, solely based off of people's post count. For someone like me, I've followed the proleague scene for years, have owned and played starcraft since before Broodwar was even out, and lurked the forums for a very long time before ever actually making a post/account. I keep coming back to the forum because there is a lot of quality content on these boards, but at times it feels like the elitism and overall arrogance overshadows that, and a lot of that revolves around bigotry over trivial things like someone's post count.
Lots of constructive discussions end up being unvalidated because of some people's post count. Obviously, the moderators intervene when it's a large problem, but I still feel like it's something that happens more often on these forums than any other forum I've ever been on (possibly due to the competitive level of an RTS game like Starcraft? Not 100% sure on the reason).
It just rubs me the wrong way when discussions are unvalidated based off of the person's post count, rather than the quality of their content. I often wonder sometimes to myself, I bet if Flash were to come on tl.net and make an account and post about strategy, he'd get flamed for his post count, and that's a sad truth on occasion here. However it's not all hopeless to me, I've seen moderators do great job of handling things like that when it gets too out of hand, but it still rears it's ugly head quite a lot. Either way I'll still keep coming back and following along the great topics provided here on these forums, but it's disheartening to say the least when I come across elitism on these boards, and it certainly discourages a number of people from participating on these forums. Although it's worth pointing out, I don't believe the flaw is in the post count being displayed, but actually in the person's interpretation of that number.
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The exclusion of information is never a good idea in my eyes.
When I read threads in my head, my brain prioritiezes information this manner.
Good players: Lz, ret, nony
Adminstrators: the reds
Moderators: the blues
High post count
Short post count
Just because you have lot of posts shouldn't make your post any less valid, who you are and what you're expertize will though. I think its a good number to have around, and people can interpret it however they want.
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Keep the post count as is, I'm a low post count but I've been lurking for the past 5 years, seldomly post. I read everyone's comments and I try not to discriminate but it's hard not to when you see someone with 10 posts acting like they know it all about sc2.
Plus it's always nice to see konadora's post number climb.
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Tough to say. I voted leave as is but join date might be a better thing to show next to posts. A combo would be best but I can see how that would take up too much room (maybe just year?)
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:\ I've been lurking TL for 3 or 4 years now. I only joined recently, so both my join date and post count are newbish. So I guess I don't really care what you do. 
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Correct answer: Don't ask TL posters
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United States3824 Posts
How will I know how cool I am though? I can't be made to contribute content to this website. That would just be unfair.
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cant see my progress easily if I have to go to my profile everytime. or put it on the top left corner under your name.
The avatar should show people how much you have influenced this forum, as the higher tier the avatar the more posts you have.
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Calgary25998 Posts
On June 15 2010 09:46 shimpoe wrote:
Actually one of the biggest reasons why this forum turns me off so much is from seeing the rampant elitism and arrogance of a lot of the users, solely based off of people's post count. For someone like me, I've followed the proleague scene for years, have owned and played starcraft since before Broodwar was even out, and lurked the forums for a very long time before ever actually making a post/account. I keep coming back to the forum because there is a lot of quality content on these boards, but at times it feels like the elitism and overall arrogance overshadows that, and a lot of that revolves around bigotry over trivial things like someone's post count.
Lots of constructive discussions end up being unvalidated because of some people's post count. Obviously, the moderators intervene when it's a large problem, but I still feel like it's something that happens more often on these forums than any other forum I've ever been on (possibly due to the competitive level of an RTS game like Starcraft? Not 100% sure on the reason).
It just rubs me the wrong way when discussions are unvalidated based off of the person's post count, rather than the quality of their content. I often wonder sometimes to myself, I bet if Flash were to come on tl.net and make an account and post about strategy, he'd get flamed for his post count, and that's a sad truth on occasion here. However it's not all hopeless to me, I've seen moderators do great job of handling things like that when it gets too out of hand, but it still rears it's ugly head quite a lot. Either way I'll still keep coming back and following along the great topics provided here on these forums, but it's disheartening to say the least when I come across elitism on these boards, and it certainly discourages a number of people from participating on these forums. Although it's worth pointing out, I don't believe the flaw is in the post count being displayed, but actually in the person's interpretation of that number.
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Can you cite some examples?
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United States10328 Posts
what's bad about post count? join date would be nice, but there's no room...
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NOOOO KEEP POST COUNT!!!!
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remove post count to force people to actually present decent points in discussions while removing the option to point to the other guys postcount to discredit them
force people to use their brains please
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United States22883 Posts
I can't recall many of examples of people "prejudging" each other based on post number. I guess I might biased on whether they have a pro team selected (a quick way to judge if they followed BW) or when their join date is, but it usually doesn't change my reaction to them. If they say something retarded, then I'll just check their post history to see if they're like 60% SC2 forum, 40% Kpop thread.
On the other hand, I don't really see a reason to keep them either. I still like getting different icons, though. :x And the big 10k/20k posts. I've got no problem with elitism though.
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Calgary25998 Posts
On June 15 2010 12:55 Jibba wrote:
I can't recall many of examples of people "prejudging" each other based on post number. I guess I might biased on whether they have a pro team selected (a quick way to judge if they followed BW) or when their join date is, but it usually doesn't change my reaction to them. If they say something retarded, then I'll just check their post history to see if they're like 60% SC2 forum, 40% Kpop thread.
On the other hand, I don't really see a reason to keep them either. I still like getting different icons, though. :x And the big 10k/20k posts. I've got no problem with elitism though.
Yea, I really think it's just some phantom force people feel without it actually existing. I've never seen someone talk down to someone based on post count.
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On June 15 2010 11:50 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 09:46 shimpoe wrote:
Actually one of the biggest reasons why this forum turns me off so much is from seeing the rampant elitism and arrogance of a lot of the users, solely based off of people's post count. For someone like me, I've followed the proleague scene for years, have owned and played starcraft since before Broodwar was even out, and lurked the forums for a very long time before ever actually making a post/account. I keep coming back to the forum because there is a lot of quality content on these boards, but at times it feels like the elitism and overall arrogance overshadows that, and a lot of that revolves around bigotry over trivial things like someone's post count.
Lots of constructive discussions end up being unvalidated because of some people's post count. Obviously, the moderators intervene when it's a large problem, but I still feel like it's something that happens more often on these forums than any other forum I've ever been on (possibly due to the competitive level of an RTS game like Starcraft? Not 100% sure on the reason).
It just rubs me the wrong way when discussions are unvalidated based off of the person's post count, rather than the quality of their content. I often wonder sometimes to myself, I bet if Flash were to come on tl.net and make an account and post about strategy, he'd get flamed for his post count, and that's a sad truth on occasion here. However it's not all hopeless to me, I've seen moderators do great job of handling things like that when it gets too out of hand, but it still rears it's ugly head quite a lot. Either way I'll still keep coming back and following along the great topics provided here on these forums, but it's disheartening to say the least when I come across elitism on these boards, and it certainly discourages a number of people from participating on these forums. Although it's worth pointing out, I don't believe the flaw is in the post count being displayed, but actually in the person's interpretation of that number.
Edit: Sloppily added in paragraph breaks to make readability increase by approximately 4000% Can you cite some examples?
Sure, I'll just throw out a random example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=130776¤tpage=3#53
Now to be fair, I have a few things to say about that post. First, I'm not really looking to get people warned/banned, I don't have some agenda to tattletale. Also it's quite possible that maybe I'm just being defensive and putting a negative tone to what that user (Ahzz) said. But when I read a post like that I think to myself, "Ugh, why would you mention post count when the OP is just trying to have a legitimate discussion revolving around his concern of being bored with protoss?" Now obviously the thread was closed, but that's besides the point. Now this isn't the greatest example, it's just the first one I found, but the point is: one user feels it's important that the OP's post count should be brought into the discussion. Also I understand that it's very much a minority of posters who even engage in that kind of behavior, but there's no denying that it happens. If you want further examples, just look closely at the thought process that many people have expressed throughout this thread about low post count users.
I know I didn't really dig for much longer than maybe 2-3 minutes so I didn't provide the best example, but I have to wonder: Why do you ask for a citation? Not that it's an unreasonable request, it's just that I can't imagine that you would be unaware that that kind of behavior does exist. I mean look at any forum ever, people are constantly put down by other posters solely based off of their post count / join date, there's really no denying that it happens, here or anywhere. If you would really like, I'm sure I could dig deeper and find more examples for you, but my point isn't to call out every instance this has occurred, my point is just that the behavior undeniably exists.
So I can't help but think that maybe you were just being defensive to what I had to say, in which case I think it's my fault that I didn't communicate my point correctly. I'm not at all saying that the moderators willingly let this behavior happen, or that moderators don't do anything to combat that behavior, in fact I know that they don't. I can honestly say that the moderators here have been particularly impressive in their activity; which is quite refreshing for a forum, especially when considering that I'm pretty certain a lot of, if not all moderators are not paid for the work that they do here. So I wasn't at all trying to insinuate that the moderators are doing a poor job here.
As Day9 would say, focus on the broad strokes: The point is that to me, post count / join date bigotry is something that undeniably exists in this world, on this forum or elsewhere, and it's just such an unproductive behavior.
But like I said, I enjoy these forums and would happily continue reading here for the wealth of information that the boards provide. I just cannot express how much I absolutely hate when I see discrimination of a person solely based off of their post count / join date because it just drags down the discussio. And for the record it hasn't happened to me specifically here yet, but then again I haven't actually made that many posts and I try to stay away from strategy discussions if I can, it's just a behavior I have noticed on every forum I've ever been to.
Well that was long winded but I hopefully fully expressed what I was trying to say earlier. 
Edit: Lol I wasn't trying to sound like that behavior is this viciously offensive thing or that it's totally rampant and ruining these forums, just simply that it's very unproductive to discussions and it certainly does exist.
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I would think that a better question to ask is 'is there a reason to keep post count?' instead of the negative version - and I don't think there really is.
Frankly, judging the value of posts by post count (or skimming or scanning or whatever you want to call it) is stupid. It just means that you aren't reading all the posts. You should be able to tell whether a post is good or bad immediately, just by the content of the post. If you need to know how many posts a user has made to decide whether a post is good or not, you're probably not familiar enough with the subject matter for it to matter anyway.
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