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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
May 31 2010 19:48 GMT
#41
I think Action deserves a place in PR too
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
May 31 2010 19:50 GMT
#42
i guess i cant argue. effort had a better month than JD (which really comes down to "did better vs flash in the finals of a starleague), but I'm quite confident by next PR JD will be back as top zerg (assuming his team lets him play enough ace matches to do so).
Free Palestine
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
May 31 2010 19:50 GMT
#43
On June 01 2010 04:48 letian wrote:
I think Action deserves a place in PR too


I'd say maybe CBNC but then i remember his game against effort from saturday. that was just really bad play :\
Free Palestine
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 31 2010 19:56 GMT
#44
snow is way too high. everything else is okay i guess although #9 and #10 are a little questionable (i'm happy about them, though, as a huge wemade fan)
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 31 2010 19:57 GMT
#45
seems like plexa put a lot of emphasis on last night's games?... darn?
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 20:07:21
May 31 2010 20:00 GMT
#46
On June 01 2010 04:56 o[twist] wrote:
snow is way too high. everything else is okay i guess although #9 and #10 are a little questionable (i'm happy about them, though, as a huge wemade fan)


The only player who might deserve #5 more is Kal, but he went a horrible 0-2 last night.
Problem is while this time we had a very well performing top 4(5) the rest of the players all posted inconsistent results.

So #5 for Snow would be too high in a normal PR when all the good players would play well and get the results we expect them to, but judging by last month's perfomances, Snow deserved his position.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 31 2010 20:02 GMT
#47
oh the other thing: why is fantasy on the rank at all? was he really that impressive?...
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HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
May 31 2010 20:11 GMT
#48
THANK YOU for putting Effort 2nd. Didn't see that coming, but what a pleasant surprise. >
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 20:23:58
May 31 2010 20:22 GMT
#49
To be honest i'm disappointed with Jaedong . Flash nowadays either cheeses does some wierd mech build with ultra fast CC or 14 CC in TvZ . I think zergs should abuse either 2 hat mutas / lurkers or some pool first opening and be more aggresive . His hidra bust was a good try , but he over comited and from the looks of it either didn't practise a follow-up and just all -in or was frustrated because he was down 0 - 2 and all -ined. I don't mind him being as greedy as Flash at least 1 game .

Effort's preparation impressed me much more . He would have won the first game if they didn't replay it regardless of the valkyrie's death . Because Effort was going for a 4 hatch hidra break after he build 5 mutas and 2- 4 scourge . Flash invested alot of gas in to valkery and goliaths , and probably wouldn't have enough for tanks in time to stop the hidra bust . His greedy build to match Flash on Odd-eye was good . He took the high ground expansion at 9 o'clock first meaning that if Flash scouted his natural and saw no hatchery he could potentially not scout Effort because odd-eye is a fairly big map and 12 hat at natural is more likely and pros normally move their SCV to the next spot after scouting the nat . And he played brilliantly in his other games punishing Flash for every little mistake he made .
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 31 2010 20:26 GMT
#50
On June 01 2010 05:02 ]343[ wrote:
oh the other thing: why is fantasy on the rank at all? was he really that impressive?...

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand this.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 20:29:39
May 31 2010 20:29 GMT
#51
On June 01 2010 05:22 raga4ka wrote:
To be honest i'm disappointed with Jaedong . Flash nowadays either cheeses does some wierd mech build with ultra fast CC or 14 CC in TvZ . I think zergs should abuse either 2 hat mutas / lurkers or some pool first opening and be more aggresive . His hidra bust was a good try , but he over comited and from the looks of it either didn't practise a follow-up and just all -in or was frustrated because he was down 0 - 2 and all -ined. I don't mind him being as greedy as Flash at least 1 game .



Yeah that's what I've been thinking lately about JD too. His aggressiveness diminished a lot. Gone are the very high aggressive builds JD started his career with. Nowadays he's all about tech rushing.

I think Flash analysed this and decided 14cc wont be a danger to JD.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 20:53:01
May 31 2010 20:32 GMT
#52
On June 01 2010 05:22 raga4ka wrote:
To be honest i'm disappointed with Jaedong . Flash nowadays either cheeses does some wierd mech build with ultra fast CC or 14 CC in TvZ . I think zergs should abuse either 2 hat mutas / lurkers or some pool first opening and be more aggresive . His hidra bust was a good try , but he over comited and from the looks of it either didn't practise a follow-up and just all -in or was frustrated because he was down 0 - 2 and all -ined. I don't mind him being as greedy as Flash at least 1 game .

Effort's preparation impressed me much more . He would have won the first game if they didn't replay it regardless of the valkyrie's death . Because Effort was going for a 4 hatch hidra break after he build 5 mutas and 2- 4 scourge . Flash invested alot of gas in to valkery and goliaths , and probably wouldn't have enough for tanks in time to stop the hidra bust . His greedy build to match Flash on Odd-eye was good . He took the high ground expansion at 9 o'clock first meaning that if Flash scouted his natural and saw no hatchery he could potentially not scout Effort because odd-eye is a fairly big map and 12 hat at natural is more likely and pros normally move their SCV to the next spot after scouting the nat . And he played brilliantly in his other games punishing Flash for every little mistake he made .

I disagree with almost everything about this post :O

1. Flash only cheese or 14CC or mech or play standard bio or some other unique strat or... well thats about everything terran can do TvZ.

2. Effort preparation wasn't better than jaedongs. The games effort played how he wanted he lost.
Efforts win was on the fly desicions that capitalized on Flash's mistakes. It had nothing to do with how he prepared the games.
You cannot compare the finals since the maps were different and Flash played way different. This time he scouted earlier when he 14CC'd and he made lingproof walls.

3. And no, you cant say effort would have won the first game. He opened mutalisk vs gol+valk and then switch hydra which flash had scouted. There is no way you can call that game before any units clash.

4. Effort did the same thing jaedong did in the third game. He was down 0-2 and needed a win badly. So he went all in and it worked. Yeah it was well executed but it requires that you opponent fucks up wich you can't really rely on.
Had Flash not used all his SCV's to repair the bunker Jaedongs all-in ahd worked too. But this time Flash didn't fuck up.

Sometimes when I go 14CC or rax FE the zerg decides to go all in lings after 12hatch (Mamon, octoberzerg hi!) and sometimes I fuck up my scv micro when he tries to run by. So it works and he feels really good about it but really it was just me fucking up.
Next time he tries the same, I've learned from my mistakes and he gets raped.
Thats how these things work. The all in ling looks really good when it works, but really it's just a biiig risk and you can count yourself lucky you opponent wasn't blocking correctly if it works.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
May 31 2010 20:55 GMT
#53
sAviOr is being written out of history (see Flash's entry regarding "bonjwa")
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 31 2010 20:55 GMT
#54
On June 01 2010 05:32 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 05:22 raga4ka wrote:
To be honest i'm disappointed with Jaedong . Flash nowadays either cheeses does some wierd mech build with ultra fast CC or 14 CC in TvZ . I think zergs should abuse either 2 hat mutas / lurkers or some pool first opening and be more aggresive . His hidra bust was a good try , but he over comited and from the looks of it either didn't practise a follow-up and just all -in or was frustrated because he was down 0 - 2 and all -ined. I don't mind him being as greedy as Flash at least 1 game .

Effort's preparation impressed me much more . He would have won the first game if they didn't replay it regardless of the valkyrie's death . Because Effort was going for a 4 hatch hidra break after he build 5 mutas and 2- 4 scourge . Flash invested alot of gas in to valkery and goliaths , and probably wouldn't have enough for tanks in time to stop the hidra bust . His greedy build to match Flash on Odd-eye was good . He took the high ground expansion at 9 o'clock first meaning that if Flash scouted his natural and saw no hatchery he could potentially not scout Effort because odd-eye is a fairly big map and 12 hat at natural is more likely and pros normally move their SCV to the next spot after scouting the nat . And he played brilliantly in his other games punishing Flash for every little mistake he made .

I disagree with almost everything about this post :O

1. Flash only cheese or 14CC or mech or play standard bio or some other unique strat or... well thats about everything terran can do TvZ.

2. Effort preparation wasn't better than jaedongs. The games effort played how he wanted he lost.
Efforts win was on the fly desicions that capitalized on Flash's mistakes. It had nothing to do with how he prepared the games.
You cannot compare the finals since the maps were different and Flash played way different. This time he scouted earlier when he 14CC'd and he made lingproof walls.

3. And no, you cant say effort would have won the first game. He opened mutalisk vs gol+valk and then switch hydra which flash had scouted. There is no way you can call that game before any units clash.

4. Effort did the same thing jaedong did in the third game. He was down 0-2 and needed a win badly. So he went all in and it worked. Yeah it was well executed but it requires that you opponent fucks up wich you can't really rely on.
Had Flash not used all his SCV's to repair the bunker Jaedongs all-in ahd worked too. But this time Flash didn't fuck up.

Sometimes when I go 14CC or rax FE the zerg decides to go all in lings after 12hatch (Mamon, octoberzerg hi!) and sometimes I fuck up my scv micro when he tries to run by. So it works and he feels really good about it but really it was just me fucking up.
Next time he tries the same, I've learned from my mistakes and he gets raped.
Thats how these things work. The all in ling looks really good when it works, but really it's just a biiig risk and you can count yourself lucky you opponent wasn't blocking correctly if it works.


Regarding 2), game 2 was a horrible loss from Effort yes, got outplayed. But in game 1 he was in a very good position (even without the valk snipes, drone scout was huge and I really would have liked to see what Effort wanted to do with the 4th hatch).
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 20:58:34
May 31 2010 20:57 GMT
#55
On June 01 2010 05:55 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 05:32 StylishVODs wrote:
On June 01 2010 05:22 raga4ka wrote:
To be honest i'm disappointed with Jaedong . Flash nowadays either cheeses does some wierd mech build with ultra fast CC or 14 CC in TvZ . I think zergs should abuse either 2 hat mutas / lurkers or some pool first opening and be more aggresive . His hidra bust was a good try , but he over comited and from the looks of it either didn't practise a follow-up and just all -in or was frustrated because he was down 0 - 2 and all -ined. I don't mind him being as greedy as Flash at least 1 game .

Effort's preparation impressed me much more . He would have won the first game if they didn't replay it regardless of the valkyrie's death . Because Effort was going for a 4 hatch hidra break after he build 5 mutas and 2- 4 scourge . Flash invested alot of gas in to valkery and goliaths , and probably wouldn't have enough for tanks in time to stop the hidra bust . His greedy build to match Flash on Odd-eye was good . He took the high ground expansion at 9 o'clock first meaning that if Flash scouted his natural and saw no hatchery he could potentially not scout Effort because odd-eye is a fairly big map and 12 hat at natural is more likely and pros normally move their SCV to the next spot after scouting the nat . And he played brilliantly in his other games punishing Flash for every little mistake he made .

I disagree with almost everything about this post :O

1. Flash only cheese or 14CC or mech or play standard bio or some other unique strat or... well thats about everything terran can do TvZ.

2. Effort preparation wasn't better than jaedongs. The games effort played how he wanted he lost.
Efforts win was on the fly desicions that capitalized on Flash's mistakes. It had nothing to do with how he prepared the games.
You cannot compare the finals since the maps were different and Flash played way different. This time he scouted earlier when he 14CC'd and he made lingproof walls.

3. And no, you cant say effort would have won the first game. He opened mutalisk vs gol+valk and then switch hydra which flash had scouted. There is no way you can call that game before any units clash.

4. Effort did the same thing jaedong did in the third game. He was down 0-2 and needed a win badly. So he went all in and it worked. Yeah it was well executed but it requires that you opponent fucks up wich you can't really rely on.
Had Flash not used all his SCV's to repair the bunker Jaedongs all-in ahd worked too. But this time Flash didn't fuck up.

Sometimes when I go 14CC or rax FE the zerg decides to go all in lings after 12hatch (Mamon, octoberzerg hi!) and sometimes I fuck up my scv micro when he tries to run by. So it works and he feels really good about it but really it was just me fucking up.
Next time he tries the same, I've learned from my mistakes and he gets raped.
Thats how these things work. The all in ling looks really good when it works, but really it's just a biiig risk and you can count yourself lucky you opponent wasn't blocking correctly if it works.


Regarding 2), game 2 was a horrible loss from Effort yes, got outplayed. But in game 1 he was in a very good position (even without the valk snipes, drone scout was huge and I really would have liked to see what Effort wanted to do with the 4th hatch).

Yes ofcourse. I'm not saying Effort was behind or anything like that. It was really open and the game wasn't even remotly decided. I would also have liked to see what Effort had planned to do.

Some people though somehow get it in their mind that Effort had this huge advantage and I just don't get it.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 21:00:27
May 31 2010 20:57 GMT
#56
On June 01 2010 02:19 Mykill wrote:
Calm ahead of Shine imo
Effort ftw

(Z)Calm had a losing record this month, with wins against great, Crazy-Hydra, Peace, and one lone win against Jaedong in a series in which he was impressive, but ultimately totally outclassed. Not PR-worthy at all.

On June 01 2010 05:26 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 05:02 ]343[ wrote:
oh the other thing: why is fantasy on the rank at all? was he really that impressive?...

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand this.

(T)fantasy played an excellent game against Flash that he barely lost, then made him look stupid with good scouting, and an inventive cheese on his part. He lost to Jaedong because JD responded perfectly to a really neat build. He lost to EffOrt in another excellent and close game.

And the rest of the month he rolled. So basically, close losses, and strong performances across the board.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 31 2010 21:07 GMT
#57
On June 01 2010 00:41 jalstar wrote:
I saw the power rank and immediately thought Hot Bid did it.

I did too, that's why I edited in "NO PLEXA NO"
>: (
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11094 Posts
May 31 2010 21:23 GMT
#58
Who the hell are these tosses >> << Well I guess Kal's there but Kal doesn't count.

Can't really disagree with the rankings.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 22:08:50
May 31 2010 21:46 GMT
#59
On June 01 2010 05:57 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 02:19 Mykill wrote:
Calm ahead of Shine imo
Effort ftw

(Z)Calm had a losing record this month, with wins against great, Crazy-Hydra, Peace, and one lone win against Jaedong in a series in which he was impressive, but ultimately totally outclassed. Not PR-worthy at all.

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 05:26 Holgerius wrote:
On June 01 2010 05:02 ]343[ wrote:
oh the other thing: why is fantasy on the rank at all? was he really that impressive?...

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand this.

(T)fantasy played an excellent game against Flash that he barely lost, then made him look stupid with good scouting, and an inventive cheese on his part. He lost to Jaedong because JD responded perfectly to a really neat build. He lost to EffOrt in another excellent and close game.

And the rest of the month he rolled. So basically, close losses, and strong performances across the board.

''The rest of the month'' doesn't include anything awesome at all. Seriously, the guy went 4-3 last month (and he's been around roughly 50% since a couple of months back) and did literally nothing impressive at all. The win vs Hiya was the only positive thing I can remember. The first game vs Flash wasn't even remotely close, Flash won that game more than 10 minutes before Fantasy gg'd. It was a rape. The second game was an extremely lucky win. The loss vs JD wasn't due to JD playing good, it was because Fantasy played like a complete fucking retard. The loss vs Effort showed that he's incapable of playing proper modern late game TvZ. The game vs Action was Fantasy winning the game with his BO (stopped the 4-pool (or was it 5-pool?) completely) and still almost died due to more retardation. His win vs Clam was a typical Fantasy vs Clam game, i.e one of them failed harder than the other.

We can't give everyone who gets lucky vs Flash a spot on the PR just because of that. There are plenty of players who had a better (or at least just as good) month as Fantasy had.

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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 31 2010 21:49 GMT
#60
Eh Holgerius if you dont mind, put the gifs into spoiler tags please?
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