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On July 01 2010 22:57 Mooncat wrote:
I can only repeat that Flash definitely deserves one month to proof himself after all he has achieved over the last few months. Furthermore he didn't play badly at all. None of his losses in June were terrible or thrown away games etc. One indicator for that fact is that all his losses were recommended games in the live report threads, and I doubt that's because he has so many anti-fans that like to see him lose.
All of Flash's losses in June were basically still excellent games so give him the benefit of the doubt here instead of crying "slump!". If he keeps underachieving he will drop a few spots in the PR inevitably, I don't know why people are so keen on dethroning him as quick as possible. I remember quite a few occasions of players keeping their #1 spot although others had performed better in proleague that month.
Wrong. The one against Really, he got so badly dominated, he had no chance. And he played pretty poorly too. The one against Free wasn't that good either. He got dominated there too.
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On July 01 2010 23:12 J1.au wrote:
It's almost like Jaedong fanboys have deliberately forgotten the MSL finals. Which coincidentally was the last BoX Flash has played.
And if his current performance keeps up, will be the last BoX he'd have won in a while.
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On July 01 2010 23:12 J1.au wrote:
It's almost like Jaedong fanboys have deliberately forgotten the MSL finals. Which coincidentally was the last BoX Flash has played.
Maps used (4):
Fighting Spirit, Match Point, Odd-Eye 2, Triathlon
is one reason, the other is... dunno, looking at the recent games.
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J1.au, it's actually funny if you think about it - if finals happened just some 3 days later no sane JD fan could say that JD deserves to be higher in June ;P
wwjdd, he wasn't dominated by Free wtf
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Oh one more thing. Even if Jaedong was beating Flash all the time and Flash was beating everyone else, but Jaedong kept getting owned by Fantasy for example, I dont think you could say JD was the best o_O
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On July 01 2010 23:29 InRaged wrote:
J1.au, it's actually funny if you think about it - if finals happened just some 3 days later no sane JD fan could say that JD deserves to be higher in June ;P
wwjdd, he wasn't dominated by Free wtf
Nah. not really. His play just gets worse and worse as the month goes on. If he barely has 50% for the month, he doesn't deserve #1 PR. JD got demoted for less after winning a star league.
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On July 01 2010 23:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 22:57 Mooncat wrote:
I can only repeat that Flash definitely deserves one month to proof himself after all he has achieved over the last few months. Furthermore he didn't play badly at all. None of his losses in June were terrible or thrown away games etc. One indicator for that fact is that all his losses were recommended games in the live report threads, and I doubt that's because he has so many anti-fans that like to see him lose.
All of Flash's losses in June were basically still excellent games so give him the benefit of the doubt here instead of crying "slump!". If he keeps underachieving he will drop a few spots in the PR inevitably, I don't know why people are so keen on dethroning him as quick as possible. I remember quite a few occasions of players keeping their #1 spot although others had performed better in proleague that month. Because of all the times when JD was dropped because he "only" went like 9-5 for a month and was put below Zero? Different PR writers have different opinions... I completely disagreed with that months ranking - for the record
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On July 01 2010 22:57 Mooncat wrote:
All of Flash's losses in June were basically still excellent games so give him the benefit of the doubt here instead of crying "slump!".
Flash's benefit of the doubt is that he's #2, above players who technically have better records than him this month (e.g., Fantasy), because we believe (okay, we know) he's a stronger player.
And at this point most of the people using the word "slump" are Flash fans complaining about the few people that have used the term to describe his month.
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What about JD falling to #3 without doing that bad, from Effort who came out of nowhere? No benefit of the doubt there? Or it was other writer?
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On July 01 2010 23:40 Plexa wrote:
Different PR writers have different opinions... I completely disagreed with that months ranking - for the record
I thought you(Plexa) decided all the PR's. Whos involved in the decision making?
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On July 01 2010 23:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2010 23:40 Plexa wrote:
Different PR writers have different opinions... I completely disagreed with that months ranking - for the record
I thought you(Plexa) decided all the PR's. Whos involved in the decision making?
One writer is involved in the decision making afaik. There was different writers in the past though. The ones where JD was dropping from #1 after shaky months were written by JWD~
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On July 01 2010 16:23 InFdude wrote:
Ok Morality you go on and put your life on the line in a Bo5 say Flash vs SkyHigh .So if SkyHigh wins he is number 1 ? Ofc no . I don't see how any protoss can take more that 1 game off Jaedong in a Bo5 and he has been doing great in ZvZ . His ZvT isn't all that great but there are just a few terrans that can be a problem .Flash on the other hand has some serious problem with TvT and I can name 2-3 tosses who may beat him in a Bo5 ATM.
How many ways can you say "completely missed the point"?
SkyHigh is a TvT monster. Right now, he's probably better than anyone in that match-up. But is SkyHigh stronger overall than Flash? I highly doubt that. So obviously if you're playing an opponent of unknown race with your life on the line you'd rather send Flash than SkyHigh. Because it just so happens that Flash is one of the strongest players across the board right now.
And yet again someone brings Jaedong into this when I have nothing bad to say against Jaedong. Indeed, Jaedong is probably my #1 pick for this month, all said and done. So why do people keep acting like I'm hating on him?
Okay, so assuming Jaedong is #1, who should be #2? The problem with giving #2 to anyone who isn't Flash is that all the top contenders for that position have either had a shaky month OR they aren't well proven. Is Fantasy playing like a finalist or is he just looking strong because most of his opponents are easy? Can we put Effort above Flash when his current form is equally erratic? Is Sea playing like he's finally going to win a Starleague, or is he going to crap out on us yet again, always good, never quite good enough? Is Bisu back to top form, or is he just winning because his opponents have been easy? And what about Great, who might have made a deep run into OSL if not for bracket fail (as you may recall, because of the cheating scandal, a spot or two opened up in the OSL, Sea won the direct seed tournament and Great was the runner-up... and then they were forced to play each other in the Round of 36 days later even though Great had just gotten through defeating Jaedong and Jangbi!)?
Power Rank attempts to answer all these questions to say "who is the strongest overall." No matter what player you pick, right now there's nobody who you can confidently say would win over literally anyone (hence why we've stopped talking about a bonjwa, although I still think Flash is walking the bonjwa road if he gets his act together again), and even if there were, there's nobody who loses only to the #1 guy and there's nobody who loses only to the #1 and #2 guys, etc.
What Power Rank does is subjectively analyze these criteria that raw statistics do not and cannot take into account and then it recombines that subjective analysis with the recent results to try to better grasp the bigger picture.
And that's what people have lost sight of. Every single month these days you have people coming out of the woodwork to promote Player Y who just had a X game winstreak and maybe Player Y looked good in it, but that alone is not enough.
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Plexa hasn't written all the Power Rankings. There have been different writers since it's existence. The person who writes the power ranking obviously decides where and how to rank the players. 
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On June 30 2010 15:27 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:37 StylishVODs wrote:
I don't know about this.
Flash making consecutive double finals is taken too easily by some.
Jaedong went 6-1 this month, it's not really anything special to take the place of Flash who just recently 3-0'ed him.
If jaedong played his acematches and went something like 10-0 this month and Flash slumping in something other than TvT then I'd agree with Jaedong taking his place but now it seems abit meh... if roles were reversed you'd never allow jaedong to be #1 with a negative win record
SuperArc gets it.
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