EPThere's to Hyuk making that top 10!
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
here's to Hyuk making that top 10! | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:34 SimonB wrote: Personally, I would put Flash, Jaedong, AND Bisu ahead of Savior, and this isn't just because of the recent news—I've always thought Savior got too much praise for what he did. Too much praise? Crushing terrans in a time where T>>Z and the maps were even more T>Z? How can you not praise that enough? | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:38 SuperArc wrote: Too much praise? Crushing terrans in a time where T>>Z and the maps were even more T>Z? How can you not praise that enough? Both map and race advantage have been way overemphasized. Bisu's PvZ revolution was far more impressive IMO. That has almost always been the most unfair match up (and unfortunately has returned as such lately), and Bisu completely changed it. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
People will remember boxer, nada, oov, savior, bisu, jaedong and flash as the really big names of starcraft. Some of them get "bonjwa" title because of nostalgia and some wont but it doesn't matter. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:40 SimonB wrote: Both map and race advantage have been way overemphasized. Bisu's PvZ revolution was far more impressive IMO. That has almost always been the most unfair match up (and unfortunately has returned as such lately), and Bisu completely changed it. Well look at reverse temple. Overall 62% in TvZ. He went 6-1 on it. Without those games, it was 70% TvZ. And those games were against the best TvZ players of that time (Midas, Nada, Iris, Casy...). But yes, in the case of sAviOr, statistics are not that impressive. His gameplay really was, especially in series. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:40 SimonB wrote: Both map and race advantage have been way overemphasized. Bisu's PvZ revolution was far more impressive IMO. That has almost always been the most unfair match up (and unfortunately has returned as such lately), and Bisu completely changed it. sAviOr's management game and 3 hatch style was way more revolutionary than Bisu's Forge FE style. I don't consider Bisu a revolutionary player. All he's done throughout his career is emulate smarter protoss players and win on the behest of his superior mechanics. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 09 2010 21:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sAviOr's management game and 3 hatch style was way more revolutionary than Bisu's Forge FE style. I don't consider Bisu a revolutionary player. All he's done throughout his career is emulate smarter protoss players and win on the behest of his superior mechanics. The mere fact you credit Bisu with forge-fe makes me cringe. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On June 09 2010 22:56 Plexa wrote: The mere fact you credit Bisu with forge-fe makes me cringe. Isn't he doing the exact opposite? | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On June 09 2010 22:56 Plexa wrote: The mere fact you credit Bisu with forge-fe makes me cringe. he didn't ... he understands the Bisu copied better strategies to win.. but i do disagree. Savior was deemed "unbeatable" in his time. NO protoss could TOUCH him. Terrans were the only ones who stood a chance and the cream of the crop at that time (hwasin, casy, midas) all crumbled before him. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On June 10 2010 04:25 DreaM)XeRO wrote: he didn't ... he understands the Bisu copied better strategies to win.. but i do disagree. Savior was deemed "unbeatable" in his time. NO protoss could TOUCH him. Terrans were the only ones who stood a chance and the cream of the crop at that time (hwasin, casy, midas) all crumbled before him. Actually he never really mastered ZvZ... His zvp was awesome, but imo he did far too many hydrabusts  So basically, in a Bo5. No protoss would win over him. Some terrans could challange him (top4 or so). Many zergs could beat him. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Tier 1 (the Pantheon, in other words the greatest players of all time): Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior, Bisu, Jaedong, Flash Tier 2 (elite players, players who were at or near the top for a long time - kind of like guys who would have made "first team NBA" many times, but in the end they simply don't make the cut for the pantheon) Examples: Garimto, Kingdom, Yellow, Reach, Nal_Ra, July, Chojja, Stork, I probably left a few guys off and I don't know that much about the early early days Tier 3 (great players, "perennial all stars", players who might have been the best or one of the best in their race for awhile) Examples: Xellos (upper end of tier 3), Anytime, Midas? Hwasin (lower end of tier 3)? GoRush debating whether a guy like Sea should be here would be interesting, same goes for Free (tier 5 in my opinion) Kal (belongs here in my opinion), Best (belongs here in my opinion), etc., Effort probably belongs here for his monster 2009 plus title but I'm sure some people disagree. I'd also put Fantasy and Jangbi here for back to back silvers and prolonged periods of being a top player. Tier 4a (champions who in the end, weren't as good as players in tier 3 who might not have ever won a title) Examples: Sync, Mind, ForGG, Calm, Luxury, GGPlay (this one might be controversial), come to mind, as well as many many more ... does Casy belong here or above? Tier 5 for players who were good for a long time, great for maybe a short time or not at all, but have some combination of short term results and long term longevity Examples: guys like Kwanro come to mind, Iris? (maybe Iris belongs in tier 3?) Yarnc, Light, Much, FBH The beauty of this is that it's not that black and white, most players who were near the top for awhile should probably be listed somewhere but the question is where. For example, where does Leta belong? This would make for a fun article | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Nal_rA, Reach, Yellow, July. Future HOFers would include Flash, JD, and Bisu. Savior is out due to match fixing. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:50 jalstar wrote: i thought about an sc hall of fame post but the answer is so obvious it can be said in one line: Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Nal_rA, Reach, Yellow, July. Future HOFers would include Flash, JD, and Bisu. Savior is out due to match fixing. The point is not for a "you're in or you're out" dividing line but rather where people land. For instance, Nal_Ra was great but he doesn't belong in the same tier of greatness as Nada. Distinguishing these cases would be the interesting part. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On June 10 2010 08:57 darktreb wrote: The point is not for a "you're in or you're out" dividing line but rather where people land. For instance, Nal_Ra was great but he doesn't belong in the same tier of greatness as Nada. Distinguishing these cases would be the interesting part. Depends which time you talk about, as far as I know he was the best toss (undtill Bisu) when sAviOr was the best Z out there. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2253 Posts
and now i'm impressed with Snow's TvP. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On June 10 2010 19:20 hitthat wrote: I vote to make a collective spot for SKT1 Zergs in next PR :D and now i'm impressed with Snow's TvP. Snow plays Terran?  | ||
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hitthat
Poland2253 Posts
My bad again | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:40 SimonB wrote: Both map and race advantage have been way overemphasized. Bisu's PvZ revolution was far more impressive IMO. That has almost always been the most unfair match up (and unfortunately has returned as such lately), and Bisu completely changed it. The PvZ Revolution is over. Black reaction has triumphed  | ||
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