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On June 13 2010 09:33 okum wrote: Speaking of the monster, it's less than one week short of a year now since Jaedong lost his last ZvP that wasn't against Stork.
Holy shit that's insane... Although it's funny how few Protosses JD plays compared to the other two races but.. man that's still pretty ridiculous
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On June 13 2010 10:18 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 09:33 okum wrote: Speaking of the monster, it's less than one week short of a year now since Jaedong lost his last ZvP that wasn't against Stork. Holy shit that's insane... Although it's funny how few Protosses JD plays compared to the other two races but.. man that's still pretty ridiculous That's because JD always makes it far into starleagues where there are no protosses T_T
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On June 13 2010 10:47 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:18 7mk wrote:On June 13 2010 09:33 okum wrote: Speaking of the monster, it's less than one week short of a year now since Jaedong lost his last ZvP that wasn't against Stork. Holy shit that's insane... Although it's funny how few Protosses JD plays compared to the other two races but.. man that's still pretty ridiculous That's because JD makes starleagues where there are no protosses T_T Or alternatively
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Flash is 3-3 this month where all losses mattered, his wins didnt.
-If this continues- Flash might lose #1.
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On June 13 2010 15:24 SuperArc wrote: Flash is 3-3 this month where all losses mattered, his wins didnt.
-If this continues- Flash might lose #1.
If this continues, he'd still get the benefit of the doubt coming off double finals IMO. Not like jaedong and effort are playing much better. Can see baby rising in the rank over effort though.
Edit: If Effort continues his current losing streak which is 2 games and counting.
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On June 13 2010 15:26 POWEROUTAGE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:24 SuperArc wrote: Flash is 3-3 this month where all losses mattered, his wins didnt.
-If this continues- Flash might lose #1. If this continues, he'd still get the benefit of the doubt coming off double finals IMO. Not like jaedong and effort are playing much better. Can see baby rising in the rank over effort though. Edit: If Effort continues his current losing streak which is 2 games and counting.
Since when was 3-3 better than 3-0? OZ is 2-1 this round and KT is 0-3, all losses a directly because of Flash.
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I never said 3-3 was better than 3-0. Flash will simply stay higher on the rank because of the double finals. And again, I didn't mention JD, because personally I think he could rise to #2 based on his current performance. Has to wrest it from effort though.
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On June 13 2010 15:38 POWEROUTAGE wrote: I never said 3-3 was better than 3-0. Flash will simply stay higher on the rank because of the double finals. And again, I didn't mention JD, because personally I think he could rise to #2 based on his current performance. Has to wrest it from effort though.
With a score of like 3-3 Flash would surely get the benefit of doubt from pretty much everyone.
But what if he goes 7-7 (seven losses that matter greatly)? And Jaedong something like a confident 13-2?
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flash is losing TvT
also baby IS AMAZING!
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I would have no problems with Flash staying #1, but he has to play better than this. He has lost the last four ace match games and this could potentially allow STX to claim #1 rank in proleague. If he had the same results but won on the ace matches then I would still put him #1 on my power rank, but he is losing some very crucial games.
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On June 13 2010 15:44 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:38 POWEROUTAGE wrote: I never said 3-3 was better than 3-0. Flash will simply stay higher on the rank because of the double finals. And again, I didn't mention JD, because personally I think he could rise to #2 based on his current performance. Has to wrest it from effort though.
With a score of like 3-3 Flash would surely get the benefit of doubt from pretty much everyone. But what if he goes 7-7 (seven losses that matter greatly)? And Jaedong something like a confident 13-2?
With the conditions you stated of course his no.1 position would be in contention. But again, what are the chances of that?
On June 13 2010 15:45 setzer wrote: I would have no problems with Flash staying #1, but he has to play better than this. He has lost the last four ace match games and this could potentially allow STX to claim #1 rank in proleague. If he had the same results but won on the ace matches then I would still put him #1 on my power rank, but he is losing some very crucial games.
The thing is, Flash isn't playing badly at all even in spite of those losses. His 3 ace match losses : + Show Spoiler +vHiya well played game in my opinion and only decided when flash's valks got sniped, he had chances to win until that point , + Show Spoiler +vRuby in an amazing game, eventually lost which was significantly caused by his BO loss and + Show Spoiler +vBaby again, amazingly high level TvT where Flash just got out multitasked . Even in those losses, he played at a very high level and it's not as if he lost to scrubs. I'd be tempted to call this bad luck, especially in the first 2 cases. And I don't get why STX is brought into this discussion, they're doing terrible as well.
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i love that live report. pages and pages of "oh god baby just getting rolled i hate watching this" "flash always one step ahead one expansion ahead" "flash just a-moving through baby, he never has enough" "flash with a huge army, baby with one round of macro to defend" into "oh my god baby is everywhere what's happening i can't even follow it"
favorite player after nada
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Baby seriously has turned into a monster.
This really makes me wonder what could have happened with Flash had he stayed in WeMade.
Combine Nada's tornado vultures, Mind's tanks, Midas' BO with Flash's game sense and creativity.
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On June 13 2010 15:24 SuperArc wrote: Flash is 3-3 this month where all losses mattered, his wins didnt.
On June 13 2010 15:34 setzer wrote: all losses a directly because of Flash. How can you say this with a straight face? If it wasn't for Flash those matches wouldn't go to the Ace in the first place.
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Flash deserves a fuckton of benefit of doubt and I still think he's the best player in the world, but he really, really, really needs to stop dropping ace games like this. It's about to go beyond the point where you can just write them off easily as simply missteps. He might lose #1 this month.
I don't want him to lose his title as Spurdle.
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On June 13 2010 17:02 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 15:24 SuperArc wrote: Flash is 3-3 this month where all losses mattered, his wins didnt. How can you say this with a straight face? If it wasn't for Flash those matches wouldn't go to the Ace in the first place.
When you are unarguably the best player people have unreasonable high expectations on your performance. You may not understand this example I am going to make, but here it is: during the Superbowl Payton Manning played superbly, but his team lost and people will always remember the interception that he threw and point to that, despite the great defensive play and mediocre route Reggie Wayne ran. It comes with the position. Brett Favre will always be blamed for his loss in the previous game to the Saints because of his interception. Superstars will always be put on extremely high pedestals and with that comes some blame when things get rough.
With the ace match your team either wins or loses depending on the outcome. That is much different than just sets 1-4. His opponents played to a level people probably did not expect in those losses, but the fact is, Flash still has four ace losses in a row and he is criticized for it.
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I think when using results/statistics like that, the games behind those results have to be taken into account. Flash is undeserving of this criticism in my humble opinion, simply because he played amazing in spite of those losses. The wins are to the credit of the opposition than to the fault of Flash who in fact can hardly be faulted. Especially in the power rank when the performance of a player in-game is gauged, not solely results. Whether or not is it an ace match he lost is then much more irrelevant, especially when considering in the overall scheme of things it won't be significant at all if KT ends up first at the end of the round. And that is highly probable as well.
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Baby should be in the top 3 if he keeps it up, maybe even top 2 or #1 if Flash doesn't recover from his mini-slump (unlikely, though. Flash will likely recover and earn #1 easily)
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Baby is gonna be first next month; He has been unbeatable as of late. Either him or Jaedong. Wether people finally realized how to snipe Flash, people need to remember how good the losing games was, he never falled apart in a game and lost while doing the stupidiest mistakes. (Some could make a statement for fifth game of the OSL, but imo Flash did well considering that it was 2 hatch speedling vs 14cc.) I am not certain what Plexa will say about it though, I mean, if we change the subject the KT¨s other leg, Stats, who only lost games to JD (where he almost came back) and Baby... And you can't fault any for losing those games, imo the Chintoss will go to the top 10. Also, KT has taken over SKT1's zergfail trend as of lately -_- Ever since Hoejja went wild in the WL, KT Zergs has been FAILING.
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Flash is looking mighty shaky lately. He hasn't mounted his trademark comebacks as inevitably as they used to happen. I call mini-slump.
+ Show Spoiler +At the risk of vicious fanbois attacks.
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