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On June 07 2009 23:01 Gustav_Wind wrote:@ jtype and attackzerg The word metagame has two uses so you're both right. What jtype is saying is correct - decisions based on information from outside of the rules structure of the game is called metagaming. The Starcraft community (and other gaming communities) often refer to this as "mindgames". However metagame as a noun certainly has another very widely used meaning - it describes the state of the commonly employed strategies of the players of the game as a whole. For example the current TvZ pro metagame involves a lot of wraith builds, mech builds, and valkyrie-bionic builds. That is what AttackZerg is referring to, and I think that is the more common use of the word when it is applied to StarCraft. If you guys had read the wikipedia article for the word you'd see it mentions both. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetagamingShow nested quote +Another game-related use of Metagaming refers to operating on knowledge of the way a game is played within a particular geographic region or tournament circuit. This local or circuit-specific context is often referred to as the metagame. Just replace "particular geographic region or tournament circuit" with "the current pro scene".
actually, I think both definitions are the same, just worded differently. The "current state of the metagame" is just that. People are using what they know from outside the game (what strategies people are using, build orders, etc.) instead of just the given "rules" (build marines from barracks.)
Players don't use corsairs PvT not because the game rules don't allow it, but because what you know about the game says that it's dumb.
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On June 07 2009 23:45 virLudens wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2009 23:01 Gustav_Wind wrote:@ jtype and attackzerg The word metagame has two uses so you're both right. What jtype is saying is correct - decisions based on information from outside of the rules structure of the game is called metagaming. The Starcraft community (and other gaming communities) often refer to this as "mindgames". However metagame as a noun certainly has another very widely used meaning - it describes the state of the commonly employed strategies of the players of the game as a whole. For example the current TvZ pro metagame involves a lot of wraith builds, mech builds, and valkyrie-bionic builds. That is what AttackZerg is referring to, and I think that is the more common use of the word when it is applied to StarCraft. If you guys had read the wikipedia article for the word you'd see it mentions both. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetagamingAnother game-related use of Metagaming refers to operating on knowledge of the way a game is played within a particular geographic region or tournament circuit. This local or circuit-specific context is often referred to as the metagame. Just replace "particular geographic region or tournament circuit" with "the current pro scene". actually, I think both definitions are the same, just worded differently. The "current state of the metagame" is just that. People are using what they know from outside the game (what strategies people are using, build orders, etc.) instead of just the given "rules" (build marines from barracks.) Players don't use corsairs PvT not because the game rules don't allow it, but because what you know about the game says that it's dumb.
No, there are two separate concepts of metagame. We're wording them metagame and meta-game. Just wait til you can read the artice on liquipedia. :p
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Much appreciated, well done
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On June 06 2009 02:11 Kennigit wrote:
We've had a secret subform dedicated to this for months with very little staff involvement. The guys working on this have dealt with lots of MiR delays and have worked like true champions even through their frustration. They all deserve huge huge props for making this dream come alive!
Lol Plexa I just read this and got giddy with laughter in my chair. Thanks for everything!
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On June 08 2009 00:00 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2009 23:45 virLudens wrote:On June 07 2009 23:01 Gustav_Wind wrote:@ jtype and attackzerg The word metagame has two uses so you're both right. What jtype is saying is correct - decisions based on information from outside of the rules structure of the game is called metagaming. The Starcraft community (and other gaming communities) often refer to this as "mindgames". However metagame as a noun certainly has another very widely used meaning - it describes the state of the commonly employed strategies of the players of the game as a whole. For example the current TvZ pro metagame involves a lot of wraith builds, mech builds, and valkyrie-bionic builds. That is what AttackZerg is referring to, and I think that is the more common use of the word when it is applied to StarCraft. If you guys had read the wikipedia article for the word you'd see it mentions both. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetagamingAnother game-related use of Metagaming refers to operating on knowledge of the way a game is played within a particular geographic region or tournament circuit. This local or circuit-specific context is often referred to as the metagame. Just replace "particular geographic region or tournament circuit" with "the current pro scene". actually, I think both definitions are the same, just worded differently. The "current state of the metagame" is just that. People are using what they know from outside the game (what strategies people are using, build orders, etc.) instead of just the given "rules" (build marines from barracks.) Players don't use corsairs PvT not because the game rules don't allow it, but because what you know about the game says that it's dumb. No, there are two separate concepts of metagame. We're wording them metagame and meta-game. Just wait til you can read the artice on liquipedia. :p
+ Show Spoiler +That's like cheating for your side of the argument - you wrote that article -___-;; + Show Spoiler +
Although I guess as long as it stops derailing the thread...
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Not to sound like a whiny bitch...but when will it be up? Like eta, obviously no exact times
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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.
+ Show Spoiler +Except when the wizard is Sonuvbob
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On June 08 2009 04:04 MasterOfChaos wrote:A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. + Show Spoiler +Except when the wizard is Sonuvbob
LOOL
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On June 08 2009 04:18 o3.power91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2009 04:04 MasterOfChaos wrote:A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. + Show Spoiler +Except when the wizard is Sonuvbob LOOL
we're waiting for him to finish doing something irl. Like eating, or sleeping, or something similarly lame ^^
this is moc's image
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On June 08 2009 04:29 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2009 04:18 o3.power91 wrote:On June 08 2009 04:04 MasterOfChaos wrote:A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. + Show Spoiler +Except when the wizard is Sonuvbob LOOL we're waiting for him to finish doing something irl. Like eating, or sleeping, or something similarly lame ^^
sleeping and eating are both for the weak.
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On June 08 2009 04:04 MasterOfChaos wrote:A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. + Show Spoiler +Except when the wizard is Sonuvbob
Plexa should probably consult with the wizards before announcing release dates. :p
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oh lord...can u get better than this?
this sure beats google and looking at the reccommended threads (cuz they dont have everything I am looking for).
its better at school too cuz they dont block wikipedia in it 
EDIT: I just googled liquipedia. I found it but its asking for a password and stuff
EDIT: OMG THATS NOT SC LIQUIPEDIA THATS SOMETHING ELSE LOL..... i still cant wait. its like TLPD and Strat section doing a DBZ style fusion... except its not gonna fail!
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OMG so excited. But I'm definitely glad I didn't stay up last night to try and wait for it. T.T
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On June 08 2009 05:30 Sonu wrote:oh lord...can u get better than this? this sure beats google and looking at the reccommended threads (cuz they dont have everything I am looking for). its better at school too cuz they dont block wikipedia in it EDIT: I just googled liquipedia. I found it but its asking for a password and stuff EDIT: OMG THATS NOT SC LIQUIPEDIA THATS SOMETHING ELSE LOL..... i still cant wait. its like TLPD and Strat section doing a DBZ style fusion... except its not gonna fail!
I bet it is they are just tricking us.
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nice
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That's awesome, thanks so much for your guys hard work! I will be here pretty much every day.
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um...i got some bar when i clicked on it >.>
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sonuvbob was kidding guys - obviously it's a ad for a german sports drink (okay not obviously - but more obviously it's not part of tl.net)
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shouldn't this be up by now? I believe that more than 36hrs passed? xD I cant wait! This is the biggest thing ever! Thanks to all the hard working staff that made it possible
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