EPTLiquibition #29 - Delayed! - Page 17
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7703 Posts
Chill is 100% dead on. F91 had to play a series against oystein for a gosugamers (I think) tour. Both games were played under very laggy/slow conditions. F91 used builds both games that completely exploited the lag. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with it. But when you go 3 hat muta timing and have the mechanics and timing to pull it off very well, and you have 9 muta + 4 scourge fly into tosses main and your scourge arrive late while the mutas tackle both cannons, it is IMPOSSIBLE to move those cosairs in time. They react very badly on regular lan lat. Also he went for a runby in another game. Any protoss player can attest to how bloody easy it is to overclick in excess lag and mess up an early probe block. I think it is inteligent to use whatever ingame situation you can to win. Anything else would be retarded. BUT if nony or another player facing f91 can't say "ok there will be lag" and train themselves to play on extra high or even battle.net to prepare for the reality of an upcomming match then they flat out do not deserve to win. Oh ya for people questioning it, Protoss and Terran are way more effected by lag then zerg. Dodging storm is rough, but in lag its slower and easier to start moving ahead of time, while casting a storm is (and I don't know why) super super delayed in extra high or bnet latency. Responding to muta harass, fighting lurkers, irradiating defilers/lurkers... everything is VERY hard to do against zerg in bad conditions. The only advantage protoss and terran gleam from any lag is bbs and 99 almost can not lose against a 12 hat. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On March 24 2009 14:36 IdrA wrote: shut the fuck up you illiterate piece of shit i said the speed was fine after i kicked mani, and i never ever used the lag as an excuse, i didnt even mention it all until mani did. but f91 claimed he didnt feel lag before i kicked mani, and it was definitely there. the same thing happens with nony. you can claim we're both lying, but is strelok and.... every single other foreigner who has ever played a game with a chinese player lying as well? who has ever? are you saying the chinese lags every game? even though you just said yourself the speed is fine after? and you don't even know why you're called weak - you think it's cus you lose, it's not, you're weak cus you're weak-minded. instead of throwing a fit at losing liquibition (not even regular liquibition), which is random peanuts, you shoulda accepted it and learn from the loss (instead of finding excuses). You get pissed off at things both big and small without fail, you got no system at all. your prob is cus you got no confidence. I still kinda remember the stuff people posted before you went to korea, some sad stuff really, calling you a gaming nerd, etc. Really shallow stuff, and you bow down to that crap is why you're weak. And look at you now, still the same old pissy terran, it's like you never left USA. | ||
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S.G)XY
United States8 Posts
On March 24 2009 14:36 IdrA wrote: shut the fuck up you illiterate piece of shit i said the speed was fine after i kicked mani, and i never ever used the lag as an excuse, i didnt even mention it all until mani did. but f91 claimed he didnt feel lag before i kicked mani, and it was definitely there. the same thing happens with nony. you can claim we're both lying, but is strelok and.... every single other foreigner who has ever played a game with a chinese player lying as well? LOL | ||
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WeakTuna
Canada71 Posts
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On March 24 2009 14:28 AttackZerg wrote: Yes because alot of the teamliquid gosus bitch constantly about chinese lag , I was shocked when it happend and everbody was upset/shocked. I think it was awesome to bridge the communities. I don't think anybody can be upset about chinese lag when after all these years, I can say "Are you chinese?" on iccup with 85% accuracy just because of how it feels. I was wondering the same thing ever since F91 was first invited to play. Especially since the TSL eliminated Chinese players for lagging reason. This isn't some new problem. But since TL.net did invite F91, and Strelok/Idra/Nony/JF all agreed to play him, I naturally figured that the lag wasn't really a problem for such exhibition games. On March 24 2009 13:26 Phyre wrote: I'm not entirely sure of the situation facing Chinese players either but here is my guess: - Most players play on ICC for the majority of their games. Now, my reasoning could be completely off since I'm tired as hell and sick to boot but it makes sense at the moment. From what I've read in this thread, this doesn't seem to be the case. Chinese generally play against the Chinese. And I can attest that the internet within China is very fast and no more problematic than the US. It really is the government firewall that's fucking up connections with other parts of the world. | ||
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ZeitgeistMovie
144 Posts
Jeff was great with the stock market, as was his father. Every year up until the the recession that we are currently, he was always increasing his family's wealth by stock trading. Near the end of 2006, he had amassed nearly 4.6 million dollars in stocks and bonds. His father was now retired and nothing could go wrong. I was just happy that I knew a millionaire. Being the arrogant brat I always knew he was he decided to quit school and travel the world while being confident that his stock trading wit would carry him through life. That was a few years ago. When the market took a turn for the worst, he lost everything. Since all his wealth was in stock and bonds, when they devalued, so did his wealth. Now he is currently living in my (nice) basement , paying $400 a month rent it. He is also working at a local restaurant and going back to school. Every now and then he rants about how mad he is about how things turned out, how he wasn't used to be limited financially, how it isn't fair this to have happened to him. I said to him "look at the bright side, there's people starving in Africa. You still have food on the table and a house to live in." He simply replied, "they're use to it." And I think to myself, "they're not used to it. They just deal with it the best they can because it's part of life." I think this story is a great analogy to this lag fiasco because no one wants to lag, but some people understand that lag is part of online gaming, like being poor is sometimes part of life. Maybe one day no one will lag online anymore, but I can also guarantee that when that days comes, no one will starve anymore, either. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 24 2009 14:53 .risingdragoon wrote: who has ever? are you saying the chinese lags every game? even though you just said yourself the speed is fine after? and you don't even know why you're called weak - you think it's cus you lose, it's not, you're weak cus you're weak-minded. instead of throwing a fit at losing liquibition (not even regular liquibition), which is random peanuts, you shoulda accepted it and learn from the loss (instead of finding excuses). You get pissed off at things both big and small without fail, you got no system at all. your prob is cus you got no confidence. I still kinda remember the stuff people posted before you went to korea, some sad stuff really, calling you a gaming nerd, etc. Really shallow stuff, and you bow down to that crap is why you're weak. And look at you now, still the same old pissy terran, it's like you never left USA. i said it was fine, i didnt say it was good. fine means acceptable. and yes, the fact that one game a chinese player was involved in was playable definitely means that every other foreigner whos played with them has been lying...... ? dumbass what are you babbling about i didnt throw a fit i was discussing the games with people in private. i didnt make a single public comment about it, or say anything to f91. then rekrul decided he needed you nerds to suck his dick for a little bit and posted certain bits and pieces of it to get you all riled up. you rose to the stimulation astoundingly. well done puppet boy. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 24 2009 16:23 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: Here is a nice story about a (formerly) rich friend of mine that I'd thought I share. Hopefully some people can see what he can't. Jeff was great with the stock market, as was his father. Every year up until the the recession that we are currently, he was always increasing his family's wealth by stock trading. Near the end of 2006, he had amassed nearly 4.6 million dollars in stocks and bonds. His father was now retired and nothing could go wrong. I was just happy that I knew a millionaire. Being the arrogant brat I always knew he was he decided to quit school and travel the world while being confident that his stock trading wit would carry him through life. That was a few years ago. When the market took a turn for the worst, he lost everything. Since all his wealth was in stock and bonds, when they devalued, so did his wealth. Now he is currently living in my (nice) basement , paying $400 a month rent it. He is also working at a local restaurant and going back to school. Every now and then he rants about how mad he is about how things turned out, how he wasn't used to be limited financially, how it isn't fair this to have happened to him. I said to him "look at the bright side, there's people starving in Africa. You still have food on the table and a house to live in." He simply replied, "they're use to it." And I think to myself, "they're not used to it. They just deal with it the best they can because it's part of life." I think this story is a great analogy to this lag fiasco because no one wants to lag, but some people understand that lag is part of online gaming, like being poor is sometimes part of life. Maybe one day no one will lag online anymore, but I can also guarantee that when that days comes, no one will starve anymore, either. Wow. Man, this is ... one of the worst analogies I've ever heard, let alone morals. Are you from authonomy?  | ||
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wx8873
China1 Post
en.......... ok I got it lossers are always the best in finding excuses | ||
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:57 IdrA wrote: i said it was fine, i didnt say it was good. fine means acceptable. and yes, the fact that one game a chinese player was involved in was playable definitely means that every other foreigner whos played with them has been lying...... ? dumbass what are you babbling about i didnt throw a fit i was discussing the games with people in private. i didnt make a single public comment about it, or say anything to f91. then rekrul decided he needed you nerds to suck his dick for a little bit and posted certain bits and pieces of it to get you all riled up. you rose to the stimulation astoundingly. well done puppet boy. Yes IdrA! Keep showing the world how immature you are. Posts like this is why I can't wait for you to get kicked off your team and shipped back to america. Anyone who doesnt think professionalism matters, you are an idiot. You really think a star team has any desire to have some whiny ass kid on their team who can't keep his mount shut on forums? You are in for a rude awakening. Perhaps you should focus on your game more, IdrA, then running your e-mouth on the internet. You know why people like him are making fictitious claims against you? Because you are on here talking like a douchebag trying to defend someone who also couldn't keep his cool under pressure. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On March 24 2009 18:38 538 wrote: Wow. Man, this is ... one of the worst analogies I've ever heard, let alone morals. Are you from authonomy? I was gonna say the same thing... seriously... such a shitty analogy..lol.. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On March 24 2009 16:54 Sea[Shield] wrote: shut the fuck up you illiterate piece of shit what are you babbling about i didnt throw a fit i was discussing the games with people in private. i didnt make a single public comment about it, or say anything to Savior. then rekrul decided he needed you nerds to suck his dick for a little bit and posted certain bits and pieces of it to get you all riled up. you rose to the stimulation astoundingly. well done puppet boy.  | ||
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On March 24 2009 19:34 wx8873 wrote: Er.......... en.......... ok I got it lossers are always the best in finding excuses I understand your 1 post count.+ Show Spoiler + Get spell check on your browser it makes you look illiterate Yes, you spell it "losers" On March 24 2009 21:50 jeremycafe wrote: Yes IdrA! Keep showing the world how immature you are. Posts like this is why I can't wait for you to get kicked off your team and shipped back to america. Anyone who doesnt think professionalism matters, you are an idiot. You really think a star team has any desire to have some whiny ass kid on their team who can't keep his mount shut on forums? You are in for a rude awakening. Perhaps you should focus on your game more, IdrA, then running your e-mouth on the internet. You know why people like him are making fictitious claims against you? Because you are on here talking like a douchebag trying to defend someone who also couldn't keep his cool under pressure. Why must you write this on a smurf? Also, you're just as bad as him. Sure we have 10000 instances where IdrA BMs. But from what I've seen he's been doing well in Korea, despite the recent results. His previous posts in this thread shouldn't be considered "BM" some kid attacked him first. The only reason you felt inclined to respond was because you were conforming to the IdrA troll express. I mean seriously, what is there 8 continually posts bashing IdrA? Grow up. Support him or leave him be. + Show Spoiler + By the way, your post was well written. | ||
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
I started off defending IdrA on the bnet forums. And then when i came here and saw how he continuously acted like a child, my support for him quickly diminished. Why should the community leave him be? He is creating a terrible image for USA gamers with his attitude. How many pro teams would you see bringing new players over if they end up with players like IdrA who cant handle a loss or cant avoid talking crap on community forums? Because I look at his behavior with concern on how he is representing America I need to grow up? I don't mean to get defensive here -- but honestly my goal with my posts are for him to realize he needs to grow up and take his job serious. Why someone doesn't want fan support is beyond me. I think there would be a lot more fans following IdrA if he didnt come onto a forum screaming "idiot" and "shut the fuck up" or rage quit out of games. Yea, losing sucks. But there is a way to handle it that makes players get better. To see him coming on here and make excuses as to why he loss, he obviously doesn't understand that. While I was at blizzcon watching the starcraft tournament, I overheard someone ask who Idra was. The response he got was not positive. That it was bothers me about Idra. I would love to see him succeed and I would hate to see his opportunity vanish because the manager of his team decides his immaturity and leaving a bad image for the team name. | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On March 24 2009 15:31 baubo wrote: I was wondering the same thing ever since F91 was first invited to play. Especially since the TSL eliminated Chinese players for lagging reason. This isn't some new problem. But since TL.net did invite F91, and Strelok/Idra/Nony/JF all agreed to play him, I naturally figured that the lag wasn't really a problem for such exhibition games. From what I've read in this thread, this doesn't seem to be the case. Chinese generally play against the Chinese. And I can attest that the internet within China is very fast and no more problematic than the US. It really is the government firewall that's fucking up connections with other parts of the world. Do they have some other private server or something? Just curious. As for the rest of your post, that's generally what I've heard. China to China connections are blindingly fast, China to anywhere else is hit or miss. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8226 Posts
On March 24 2009 21:56 7mk wrote: Just imagine this: On March 24 2009 16:54 Sea[Shield] wrote: shut the fuck up you illiterate piece of shit what are you babbling about i didnt throw a fit i was discussing the games with people in private. i didnt make a single public comment about it, or say anything to Savior. then rekrul decided he needed you nerds to suck his dick for a little bit and posted certain bits and pieces of it to get you all riled up. you rose to the stimulation astoundingly. well done puppet boy. bwahaha By the way: IdrA was just temp banned for 2 days by Carnac. That account was created on 2004-07-31 20:59:50 and had 8299 posts. Reason: "shut the fuck up you illiterate piece of shit" = unacceptable ... and ... moriya was just temp banned for 1 week by Plexa. That account was created on 2009-03-14 10:01:09 and had 7 posts. Reason: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On March 24 2009 12:17 moriya wrote: And noob Idra, check your replay again to see why F91 didnot take you with 7:0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This isn't acceptable posting I guess it's only in a stacraft forum that "noob" is considered as a worse insult than "illiterate piece of shit" and "sandy vaginas". (Or maybe it has something to do with the post count?) | ||
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