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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
F91 is already a good player and doesn't need to exploit anything to win. If there's lag, then he is probably more adjusted, but to call him exploiting the lag in order to beat his opponents pretty pathetic. Especially since he rapes his opponents. It's not like tiny delays in micro made the difference and allowed F91 to beat them by a small margin. As for Nony on Andromeda, he was getting out-macroed and was way behind in upgrades. Lag or not he was getting rolled. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On March 25 2009 01:18 vnlegend wrote: Zerg has low-hp units that die very quickly compared to Protoss. Even without lag, Nony still would most likely lose. He gladly accepts a 0-0 restart from 0-2. F91 is already a good player and doesn't need to exploit anything to win. If there's lag, then he is probably more adjusted, but to call him exploiting the lag in order to beat his opponents pretty pathetic. Especially since he rapes his opponents. It's not like tiny delays in micro made the difference and allowed F91 to beat them by a small margin. As for Nony on Andromeda, he was getting out-macroed and was way behind in upgrades. Lag or not he was getting rolled. howd you get the replays? ^^ | ||
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pure)3.41
China154 Posts
replay link: http://www.yaoyuan.com/show.php?SID=60189 | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On March 25 2009 01:09 Biff The Understudy wrote: bwahaha By the way: ... and ... I guess it's only in a stacraft forum that "noob" is considered as a worse insult than "illiterate piece of shit" and "sandy vaginas". (Or maybe it has something to do with the post count?) This most likely has something to do with that: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883#cmd06 + Show Spoiler + All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similiar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it. Remember: we ban little girly-kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 500 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect. In practice, this policy means a user who has 1000+ posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it. This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on. So from that commandment Idra has: - Veterancy: He's been here a long time. - Post Count: Idra has 8000+ vs Moriya's 7 posts. - Pro status. - Contributions: Not just all the juicy drama as a result of his BM but he regularly helps us nooblets in the Strat forum with knowledge few others on this board have at the level he does. Moriya has... 7 posts, none of which are terribly noteworthy in terms of contribution. You better believe Idra will be given preferential treatment and rightfully so. Imagine Mani telling Moriya to eat shit and die, what do you think would happen to him? Now, reverse that situation and imagine the consequences. <rant> Also, I find it laughable how many people are jumping on Idra for things totally unrelated to this topic. Nony didn't want to play in lag conditions that he felt were intolerable by his standards, Ash thinks either the lag wasn't that bad or people should just suck it up and play anyway. No one is clearly in the right or wrong here as it's a matter of opinion as far as I'm concerned. Like arguing whether blue or red is the superior color (blue is, btw). Idra agreed with Nony and all of a sudden this crazy shitstorm arises with people accusing Idra of making excuses for his match against F91, that he doesn't deserve to be in Korea, he should go home, and all manner of personal attacks on his character. He's most definitely not the most "manner" of players and I can certainly understand that he gets under people's skin but I think it's getting to the point of ridiculousness where personal attacks against him are just becoming the norm. For people that seem to give such a huge mammoth crap about being "mannered" they certainly seem to lack any form of restraint, manner, or ability to simply take the high road. You don't need to praise the guy, support him, or even refrain from disagreeing with him. Simply showing some "manner" would suffice, even if you feel it's not due to him. While Idra may not have been the most likable person in the past, it most certainly won't get better at this rate. A few weeks in Idra's shoes would probably drive anyone to be ill-tempered to say the least. </rant> | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On March 25 2009 01:09 Biff The Understudy wrote: for the record I should have banned IdrA for longer.bwahaha By the way: ... and ... I guess it's only in a stacraft forum that "noob" is considered as a worse insult than "illiterate piece of shit" and "sandy vaginas". (Or maybe it has something to do with the post count?) | ||
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
On March 25 2009 06:40 haduken wrote: People! F91 is old as fuck (in starcraft age), this guy has being slaying koreans (and PJ) before any of yous so stfu and let's say he creampied all foreigners and leave it at that. I thought PJ has a pretty good record against F91. I saw a replay of them recently and PJ won pretty decisively. If Nony fails to take down F91, I'd love to see a PJ/LX vs F91 liquibition match. | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On March 25 2009 06:24 jeremycafe wrote: Phyre, something tells me you didnt even read the posts about Idra, or why he was even brought up in this topic. Idra came to this thread on his own, defending the poor manners of Nony as if he didn't act inappropriate. This is why Idra came into the cross hairs. He is acting like a moron on here trying to defend someone else for acting like a moron. He doesn't get it and shouldn't just be ignored every time he acts up. If no one targeted his behavior he won't have any reason to fix it. It's like training a dog. o.O At first I thought this was entirely possible, my memory is pretty terrible. Perhaps I've overlooked something, so I went back through the thread Ctrl+Fing "idra". Looking through the first 14 pages or so Idra was pretty reasonable in my opinion, certainly nothing to warrant personal attacks on himself. I wouldn't say he was defending the alleged poor manners of Nony either so much as saying what Nony did wasn't all that BM (which again, is opinion). Last I checked, that doesn't give anyone free reign to make personal attacks. If it was, I should be able to start making personal attacks on you because I happen to disagree with your assessment of the topic. The topic isn't black and white though. If someone was defending the use of hacks or something, sure, flame away. That's black and white, this is not. Idra came into this thread, gave his opinion in civil fashion and well before he started appearing even remotely pissed I found these: On March 21 2009 19:29 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Lol Idra would have whined about lag even if it wouldn't have lagged. <3 Nony. On March 23 2009 17:34 kernl wrote: Idra, you are a very, very, very stupid person. Really. I don't think either of those were all that warranted, just people taking pot shots at him. | ||
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zhuangcorp
United States6 Posts
Match starts with Nony complementing Ash for perfect lag. Nony keeps all his corsairs alive, and has several reavers, seems to have an advantage. All of a sudden, he tries to move out his reavers on the ground. F91, who put zerglings all across the map for vision, uses only 1 control group of hydras and snipes 3/4 reavers moving out on the ground. 2 of those could not be microed, 1 of them was mismicroed by the shuttle, possibly as a resullt of lag but nony makes no mention of it. Nony runs all his corsairs into a group of hydras, loses all his corsairs. Midway through the game, the game appears to lag, both nony and F91 complain about it, and Ash leaves the game. F91 was very aggressive with his expos, and had more economy than Nony. Nony tries for a storm drop but the shuttle get scourged. F91 appears to have maphacks built into his brain, as there didn't appear to be any way F91 could've saw the shuttle. Finally, in F.91's final push, Nony complains about the , but the game is already decided. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20664 Posts
On March 25 2009 04:50 Night[Mare wrote: If lag has been a problem all along why the heck do you still keep inviting chinese players? :S Invited one. He keeps killing everyone. Not our fault ;( | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Tekin
2711 Posts
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Lewis
China14 Posts
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ShejtaN
Sweden59 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 25 2009 11:26 zhuangcorp wrote:F91 appears to have maphacks built into his brain, as there didn't appear to be any way F91 could've saw the shuttle. I will not get into the flamewar, I'll only comment on this sentence: F91 had an overlord at the six o'clock island when the slow (!) shuttle passed near the wall, and on such level it should be no big deal to notice something like that. | ||
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