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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On March 24 2009 00:48 Ash wrote: They tried the connection today again. This time nony says it's fine and the games will be played some time within this week. Hope for an epic clash. Yay! <3 Thanks for everyone who had the patience to make this possible. | ||
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chiam_ace
Malaysia111 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:57 IdrA wrote: that doesnt change the fact that they are signifcantly more used to playing in lag then the average foreigner. after both my match and the one vs nony he said he didnt feel lag while we both did. I'm more inclined to believe both of you are full of shit. | ||
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zhuangcorp
United States6 Posts
B) Given the advantage and the fact that it's simply an exhibition, both players should be thankful to play a fellow top player thousands of miles away. F91 has been more than courteous, agreeing to play at 3am, offering to start 0-0. Nony seems ungrateful for the chance to play F91, and seems far too competitive and bent on winning, given the nature of the EXHIBITIION event. This event should be a chance to meet foreign top players, share strategies, improve oneself. Nony has shown signs of disdain for Chinese players, which is unsportsmanlike. C) Ash has been very aggressive, but I think he was emotional because he felt F91 was being picked on because of his lag and lack of english. D) I think what has people bashing Nony is just that his manner has come across as rather snobbish, as if he's too high for Chinese players. In actuality, i'm sure Nony has nothing particular against Chinese players or people, but lets his emotions get in the way of his manner. However, it's quite rude to invite Chinese players to come play in our exhibition, then treat them coldly if they win or if they lag. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On March 24 2009 08:39 zhuangcorp wrote: However, it's quite rude to invite Chinese players to come play in our exhibition, then treat them coldly if they win or if they lag. Very true. This is probably where a lot of the hostility on the part of Ash & Co. comes from. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:56 Chill wrote: Okay, obviously I was implying the connection speed between China and the rest foreign world. I'm not meaning to create facts - laggy countries have more experience with lag. Shocker! I don't claim to know the facts behind everything. Despite the fact that I do live in China, I have not played any starcraft here and really has no clue about the Chinese SC community(I'm not a Chinese native speaker). But your claim is based on a very important assumption, which I don't feel has been substantiated. You say that laggy countries have more experience with lag, yet it takes two to tango. That is, it requires a western player and a laggy-Chinese player to create a laggy match. So for your statement to be correct, there has to be a much higher number of western players than Chinese(and any other country within this circle of lagginess) players who are willing to play in laggy conditions. And if this thread is any indication, people in the west don't really play with the Chinese. That Chinese SC players mostly play themselves. So there's an inherent contradiction. If so-called non-laggy countries don't play Chinese players, how are Chinese players more familiar with lag? | ||
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GIJoe
United States1 Post
reasonable or unreasonable. none of it matters. in the end it is about who is pwned who in game. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
On March 24 2009 05:24 LxRogue wrote: Complaining that lag makes it hard to cast storm? Not that F91 actually has to try and dodge the storm in lag. Or even worse, complaining that F91 is abusing the lag simply by sending his units to attack? um... do you even play starcraft? | ||
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moriya
United States54 Posts
On March 23 2009 15:48 IdrA wrote: god damn you people are a bunch of sandy vaginas he didnt say fuck to ash or f91, he wasnt insulting them or being rude to them. 'fuck it' just means he was fed up with the situation, hence he was leaving. saying he shouldntve agreed to play chinese in the first place is pretty much just echoing the sentiments of strelok after his match vs f91, why arent you jumping on his ass for that? hell thats the same thing just about every foreigner says after playing with chinese players online. | ||
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moriya
United States54 Posts
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Sunhay
Canada303 Posts
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On March 24 2009 09:15 baubo wrote: I don't claim to know the facts behind everything. Despite the fact that I do live in China, I have not played any starcraft here and really has no clue about the Chinese SC community(I'm not a Chinese native speaker). But your claim is based on a very important assumption, which I don't feel has been substantiated. You say that laggy countries have more experience with lag, yet it takes two to tango. That is, it requires a western player and a laggy-Chinese player to create a laggy match. So for your statement to be correct, there has to be a much higher number of western players than Chinese(and any other country within this circle of lagginess) players who are willing to play in laggy conditions. And if this thread is any indication, people in the west don't really play with the Chinese. That Chinese SC players mostly play themselves. So there's an inherent contradiction. If so-called non-laggy countries don't play Chinese players, how are Chinese players more familiar with lag? I'm not entirely sure of the situation facing Chinese players either but here is my guess: - Most players play on ICC for the majority of their games. - The majority of ICC players are not Chinese. - Let's take a guess and say 1 in 4 players (25%) on ICC are Chinese. - Thus, assuming each player chooses his opponents fairly randomly with regards to their location the non-Chinese players should only run into Chinese players 25% thus only 25% of their games are under lag. Chinese players however would have 75% of their games be subject to adverse lag because they only get consistently lag free games with other Chinese players. Now, my reasoning could be completely off since I'm tired as hell and sick to boot but it makes sense at the moment. | ||
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
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TicTacToe
China21 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:37 Chill wrote: Lol. Use your head. Of course Chinese people can play in lag their used to playing in it every day. People are trying to create drama when there is none. They're going to fix the lag and replay the series. Get over it. No, we don't play in lag everyday, actually we don't agree to play in lag at all. How on earth would you think chinese people have different "lag standard" from you? We played in B.net latency for years, and now cannot bear to play in that latency anymore just because LAN latency is more used? This doesn't make any sense. Plus, Nony have played 1.5 games and quit because of "the LAG", it seems to be totally BM to me. | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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TicTacToe
China21 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:57 IdrA wrote: that doesnt change the fact that they are signifcantly more used to playing in lag then the average foreigner. after both my match and the one vs nony he said he didnt feel lag while we both did. Just like 10 games then you say chinese is more used to play with lag? Maybe its because F91 is more professional player than you, he just want to bring the most beautiful games to the audience inspite of lag. | ||
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TicTacToe
China21 Posts
I mean if you consider how big China is, Europe is almost the same size as China. Europians don't lag with each other. Chinese don't lag with each other. When it comes to across the continents, the lag comes. To see replays from ToT vs Korea, most of them have to set the latency to high and let the obs out in order not to play laggy. And according to my iCCup play, I can play most Europian and American in high or extra high latency, most Korean in low latency, and my connection is very common in China. I'm not denying that Chinese internet is worse than Korea and western countries, but it's not fair that we being called lagger. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:57 IdrA wrote: that doesnt change the fact that they are signifcantly more used to playing in lag then the average foreigner. after both my match and the one vs nony he said he didnt feel lag while we both did. hehe idra trying to group himself with nony now, trying to blame the lag as a group in that last game where you sent marines into mutas with no medics whatsoever, I suppose that's cus of lag too huh? WEAK | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7703 Posts
On March 24 2009 09:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Very true. This is probably where a lot of the hostility on the part of Ash & Co. comes from. Yes because alot of the teamliquid gosus bitch constantly about chinese lag , I was shocked when it happend and everbody was upset/shocked. I think it was awesome to bridge the communities. I don't think anybody can be upset about chinese lag when after all these years, I can say "Are you chinese?" on iccup with 85% accuracy just because of how it feels. | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
On March 24 2009 14:23 .risingdragoon wrote: hehe idra trying to group himself with nony now, trying to blame the lag as a group in that last game where you sent marines into mutas with no medics whatsoever, I suppose that's cus of lag too huh? WEAK please stop posting. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 24 2009 14:23 .risingdragoon wrote: hehe idra trying to group himself with nony now, trying to blame the lag as a group in that last game where you sent marines into mutas with no medics whatsoever, I suppose that's cus of lag too huh? WEAK shut the fuck up you illiterate piece of shit i said the speed was fine after i kicked mani, and i never ever used the lag as an excuse, i didnt even mention it all until mani did. but f91 claimed he didnt feel lag before i kicked mani, and it was definitely there. the same thing happens with nony. you can claim we're both lying, but is strelok and.... every single other foreigner who has ever played a game with a chinese player lying as well? | ||
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