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Lost Saga MSL - Week 3

Text byManifesto7
February 4th, 2009 08:27 GMT
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Editors Note: Well, MSL updates are still coming in late, but this is my problem not Kwark’s or zulu’s. I am having problems obtaining quality VODs in a timely manner for screenshots, and I think I will just paint pictures with words from now on in an effort to get things out on time. Sorry about that.


In this issue:
  • Protoss runs wild, Terrans run and hide, Zergs take a vacation.
  • Full Kwark write-ups at the bottom for extended reading pleasure!
  • Gamers get grades, and some have to stay after school -_-
  • MSL bracket pre-contest contest!
  • Manifesto gets the group letters correct!



Group H results:
This group was rather pedestrian, as the two favorites advanced. The first game was a real nail biter, with forGG and Stork rushing each others bases and leaving empty mains. Stork showed some great shuttle/reaver play to dodge a number of mines and seal a victory. He followed that up with a two gate proxy on Carthage that looked ridiculously easy, and could become the standard build in PvT on this map. After crushing Sea in an entertaining goliath/wraith vs battlecruiser game on Carthage, forGG dominated go.go from start to finish and joined Stork in the round of 16.

Recommended games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ug3PmPlWE

forGG vs Stork in the most competitive game of the group, showcasing some nice reaver defense. Read further for Kwark’s take on this tight protoss build.


Group C results:
Group C was a joy for PvT fans, with five straight match-ups, three of them showcasing excellent play. Jangbi definitely justified his recent surge in the power rankings with a commanding performance against Iris and Fantasy. His early game goon micro rendered Iris’ two fac/port build completely toothless, and a slick tech switch from reavers to a dts put him comfortably in the winners match. Fantasy (taking hints from Boxer) made a nice proxy factory and set up containment. Jangbi kept his cool despite tanks shelling his gateways and used a shuttle to zealot bomb the tanks. With Fantasy’s tanks too close to the edge, the goons destroyed them from the high ground and Jangbi massed and conquered. In the final match, Fantasy found himself in a rematch against Tempest, this time on Carthage. Much like the Thursday group, a poor reaction to two proxy gates cost him the game and a place in the ro16. (Fantasy was mere centimeters from scouting it too, but his scv got lazy and returned home. Heartbreaking.)

Recommended games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70tA8hlqU2c

Watch the first five minutes of this one for some amazing goon micro by Jangbi


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzD8ZmNrU0

Jangbi keeps his cool against intense pressure and pulls out an impressive win.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJ9GJNXUmE

Fantasy dominates Tempest in impressive fashion, finishing the game with ghosts to battle arbiters. (That being said, watch Tempest’s absolutely PIMP play in the first 4 minutes. It is unbelievable.)



Terran player profiles by [image loading]Manifesto7

(T)fOrGG, Grade: A
Yes, he did lose to Stork in a tight game, but it could have gone either way. After that, he was on cruise control, especially in the game against go.go where he contained his opponent to a quarter of the map and shut down drop after drop. His highlight of the night though came against Sea, as he skillfully coordinated a goliath/wraith attack on Sea’s weakened battlecruisers, clinching the game.

(T)fantasy, Grade: B
His first game against Tempest was a great display of vulture power. Tempest was warned about vultures by Flash and still got mauled by Fantasy’s strong harass play. His second game was also good, but a mistake in tank placement (and not scouting the hidden expansion which he should have done after seeing the shuttle) cost him the game. The look of despair on his face after getting proxy-gated was wrenching.

(T)go.go, Grade: C-
The proxy-gate loss against Stork was understandable, but I am consistently disappointed by Terran reactions to the build. Better building placement, and even investing in a bunker (with scv off gas for a moment) seems like a safer bet than constantly applying scvs to build on a factory at the other end of their base. Against forGG, he was simply bested by a better player who controlled the game. + Show Spoiler [mini rant] +
WHY WHY WHY did go.go, and terran players in general in TvT, try and doom drop mains behind fields of supply depots? He constantly dropped forGG’s main, and killed basically nothing except defending units and fast building 100 mineral structures. In the meantime there were two defenseless expansions at 1 and 3 that went untouched (virtually) all game long! It makes absolutely no sense, but maybe someone can explain it to me.

(T)Iris, Grade: C-
Iris is really a non-entity these days. He is rarely the favorite and his play style seems dated. I do like his use of the first supply depot in his PvT, creating a mini wall against harass. However, against Tempest he should have been able to win against a guy who was just throwing units away all game long. All he had to do was lay mines (which Tempest seemed happy to run into all game long) and save up tanks. Instead he constantly attacked with forces that were too small, and it cost him in the end. (A point of contention between Kwark and I).

(T)Sea, Grade: D-
This was a really disappointing day for Sea. He was completely schooled in his game vs go.go, losing out needlessly to vulture harass, and eventually losing the game due to his inability to take a third expansion. Go.go was never really threatened, and the small contain Sea did set up at 7 did not prevent go.go from expanding west. Back to the drawing board for a guy who looks increasingly mediocre.


Protoss player profiles, by [image loading]Kwark

(P)JangBi, Grade: A+
Jangbi showed the kind of flair that Bisu will have to be very careful of come the GOM finals. He looked calm, cool, and unbeatable. Against Iris…
Both players opened safe, JangBi delaying his scout to power economy for an early zealot. He was fortunate that Iris was close and was able to force him to make a number of useless marines just to survive. Killing 4 marines early for the loss of a lone zealot put him firmly ahead. He then expanded and continued to pump 1 gate dragoons against the 2 fact terran. What we were then shown is one of the sexiest micro displays in recent memory. Just to try and quantify it, from the start to securing the area of his natural Iris incurred the following losses: 8 marines, 6 vultures and a tank, along with countless mines. In exchange JangBi lost a zealot and 2 dragoons, and those dragoons were carelessly lost to a mine after the damage was done.

+ Show Spoiler [Full Report] +
Group C started with JangBi vs Iris on Byzantium. This is an open macro map and plays rather similarly to Othello, and we've all seen JangBi on Othello (Storms vs NaDa). Iris is kind of a nobody these days compared to our #1 PR. Both players opened safe, JangBi delaying his scout to power economy for an early zealot. He was fortunate that Iris was close and was able to force him to make a number of useless marines just to survive. Killing 4 marines early for the loss of a lone zealot put him firmly ahead. He then expanded and continued to pump 1 gate dragoons against the 2 fact terran. What we were then shown is one of the sexiest micro displays in recent memory. Just to try and quantify it, from the start to securing the area of his natural the Iris incurred the following losses: 8 marines, 6 vultures and a tank, along with countless mines. In exchange JangBi lost a zealot and 2 dragoons, and those dragoons were carelessly lost to a mine after the damage was done. Iris expanded and tried some dropship harass with vultures but JangBi had observers out and well positioned pylons round his base. Eight vultures died for negligible probe kills. Meanwhile JangBi's reaver play managed to slow Iris' expansion and kill a tank, although the shuttle and reaver were killed by the wraith.

Next came a dark drop, and although the shuttle was killed by a wraith Iris had to academy and was unprepared to deal with the darks. Clearing them cost him a lot of scvs, depots and mining time while his counter offensive at JangBi's 2nd expansion was shut down by a pylon wall, cannons on the mineral line and a lot of goon reinforcements.

Tiring of this game JangBi then just moved in, executing Iris with a much bigger army and an extremely well used zeal bomb.

This was just brutal. JangBi didn't let up with the offence and while Iris played well and kept trying to get counteroffensive play going and regain the initiative JangBi was always ready and always shut him down. A testament to good pylon placement and defensive walling.


And against Fantasy…
Realizing he was considerably behind and could not win without taking big risks JangBi then expanded to 7 which, although he couldn't hold it against any kind of attack, was a good risk because not expanding to 7 would leave him in an un-winnable position. Fantasy's siege of JangBi did huge damage, killing his gates and a lot of units, all making one of the lamest defenses possible with a bunker, turrets, mines and tanks. Editors note- This defense RULES hahaha… However JangBi broke out, using only the units he had because he couldn't make more. Goon micro, mine dragging, tank sniping, dodging mines with shuttles and then picking off the bunker with range were all very sexy moves, and allowed him to clear the contain at his nat.

+ Show Spoiler [Full Report] +
Neo Harmony is at 35% PvT over 14 games. JangBi is the better player by a considerable margin in my opinion but after seeing Fantasy's style on Destination I can see him being really strong here. His harass style favours the map.

This was a really strange game, Fantasy opened proxy 1 rax in the middle and JangBi opened by walling his ramp with 2 probes then making a fast zealot. Fantasy then didn't do much with his proxy rax, making 4 rines and sending them home while proxying a second factory at 6. Despite walling with 2 probes and then a zealot, Fantasy let in an scv. Bit of controversy here maybe, it looked to me like Fantasy used an illegal gas bug to glide through the wall. Maybe JangBi just walled badly and the scv just happened to come from the area near the gas at his nat, I could be wrong and I can't see why he'd risk disqualification like that. Strange.
Anyway, JangBi went 2 gate goon expand while containing Fantasy and sending a probe around to look for proxies. It noticed the vultures and he rushed his army back but it was too late and he lost a lot of units to mines, surrendered all the good defensive positions without a fight and lost probes. Fantasy's main army arrived and JangBi sold his nat at the last second, instead opting to hold his main ramp while getting obs.
Realizing he was considerably behind and could not win without taking big risks JangBi then expanded to 7 which although he couldn't hold was a good risk because not expanding to 7 would leave him in a bad position. Fantasy's siege of JangBi did huge damage, killing his gates and a lot of units, making one of the lamest defenses possible with a bunker, turrets, mines and tanks. However JangBi broke out, using only the units he had because he couldn't make more. Goon micro, mine dragging, tank sniping, dodging mines with shuttles and then picking off the bunker with range were all very sexy and allowed him to clear the contain at his nat. Fantasy was expanding at this point but JangBi had 7 up, was re-expanding to his nat and reaver harassing. Somehow he'd held, done a great contain break and gotten ahead. Fantasy killing his gates had kind of backfired for him as JangBi was forced to use a pair of speedshuttles with reavers and used them very nicely. Fantasy eventually scouted 7 but had to kill a pylon wall on the ramp with vults and could do no damage once he had.

JangBi had map control, a big army, more expansions and had clearly seen the Tempest game because all his expansions were un-harassable. In a well smooth execution (for that's pretty much the only word for what he did) he dispatched Fantasy.

Everyone better look out.

(P)Stork, Grade: A
Stork played a well thought out first game. He was able to steal forGG’s gas on Destination by sending out a probe at 7, rather than the typical 8 supply. He followed this up with a goon elevator/reaver combo, having expected forGG to have expanded with his excess minerals. This left his main open and a race which Stork handled nicely with probe defense and a reaver.
forGG was pretty much played here. The gas steal limited his options and the extremely quick follow up with proxy robo elevator into proxy reaver is difficult to deal with for all the options he had left. While doing this, Stork created an excellent defensive position at his nat, preparing to expand while attacking.

If fOrGG had tried any kind of mnm attack a reaver that quickly would rape his main. If he'd tried a fast cc the elevator would rape his main, and even if he held, Stork would simply counter expand. The usual 1 factory options were out of the question because of the gas steal. Any vult play would be raped by the elevator and wouldn't dent Storks defensive position at his natural where he was nicely walled. Defensive 2 factory play, which you'd need hack to do, would have held but Stork’s expansion would let him get ahead while the threat of reaver would keep fOrGG pinned.

To sum this up, I'm copying Stork's build and you should too.

+ Show Spoiler [Full Report] +
Stork vs fOrGG on Destination. The map is slightly P favoured at 60% and Stork is the better player so that should be enough to make him the favorite here.

Stork spawned at 6 and fOrGG at 12. In an amusing display of metagame Stork sent out his scout probe on 7, even though 8 is usually fast enough for a gas steal. While attempts to do it on 8 usually get blocked these days the 7 worked and he got the gas while walling in himself from scouting with a zealot. Stork had also slipped out a second probe to proxy a robo at 10 in a very aggressive controlling play. While Stork messed up the wall and fOrGG scouted his main it was too early to see anything missing and it was quickly cleared up. fOrGG went a 2 fact push with rines after the gas steal while Stork, expecting him to use his excessive minerals from the gas steal on a fast cc, opted for a semi all-in elevator with proxy reaver. fOrGG was pretty much played here. The gas steal limited his options and the extremely quick follow up with proxy robo elevator into proxy reaver is difficult to deal with for all the options he had left. While doing this Stork created an excellent defensive position at his nat, preparing to expand while attacking.
If fOrGG had tried any kind of mnm attack the reaver that fast would rape his main. If he'd tried fast cc the elevator would rape his main and even if he held Stork would counterxpand pretty fast. The usual 1 fact options were out of the question because of the gas steal. Any vult play would be raped by the elevator and wouldn't dent Storks defensive position at his nat where he was nicely walled. A defensive 2 fact, which you'd need hack to do, would hold but Storks expansion would let him get ahead while the threat of reaver kept fOrGG pinned.

To sum this up, I'm copying Stork's build and you should too.

In the winners game Stork met go.go and proceeded to do the exact same build as Tempest. Proxy 99, although the location was different. Unlike Fantasy go.go put the depot and rax close together, in an actually useful way. However he still opted to make the factory too far away to be easily defended by depotrax micro. It's like Baekmagoji all over again, proxy gates as standard opening into normal play. The difference is back then terrans actually defended, these terrans have just been sloppy (although Fantasy did at least scout and would have seen Storks proxy). go.go didn't lose his factory but lost an awful lot of mining time to save it. That left Stork surging ahead and he soon had a wave of goons there, overpowering go.go's pitiful army.


(P)Tempest, Grade: B
Tempest brute-forced his way through his games, coming up cute at the end. It would have been more entertaining to see a repeat of the first 30 minute slug fest, but Tempest qualified with the same proxy gate build Stork used on Carthage so it took some of his shine away.

Let’s back up though, because he is a gamer who can throw anyone a curve. His first game was against Fantasy…
Destination is considered P favoured in PvT because the bridges favour fast expansions and macro play, and we all know about Tempest's macro. He opted for an aggressive opening, delaying goon range for a zealot. Then, displaying the sexiest thing I have ever seen, he manner pyloned Fantasy's scout scv into the back of his own mineral line so his first goon could pick it off. Unfortunately Fantasy blocked his zealot without taking any damage and then did the rax float wall to hold his ramp against any other aggression without spending much money…

… Both players kept on macroing but Tempest was taking damage and not dealing any. Fantasy's vultures kept getting in while that tank count just grew and grew and the upgrades made their way to 3-3. Like any self respecting terran with 200/200 of tanks and a better economy, Fantasy wasn't interested in risking an attack, instead choosing to take all the bases on his side and cover them with the lamest defenses he could think of. Tempest tried to get some recall play going, and if he had successfully stasised Fantasy's ramp he may have killed the factories and taken the game back, but he didn't. Fantasy cleared up the recall and Tempest was left with less than half the map facing a wall of tanks, out expanded.

+ Show Spoiler [Full Report] +
Destination is considered P favored in PvT because the bridges favor fast expansions and macro play. And we all know about Tempest's macro. He opted for an aggressive opening, delaying goon range for a zealot. Then, displaying the sexiest thing I have ever seen, he manner pyloned Fantasy's scout scv into the back of his own mineral line so his first goon could pick it off. Unfortunately Fantasy blocked his zealot without taking any damage and then did the rax float wall to hold his ramp against any other aggression without spending much money.

Tempest opted for 1 gate obs into expo, a very safe build that is a direct counter to 2 fact vult and 1 fact vult drop rush, but unfortunately not much else. It doesn't leave him far behind and if Fantasy had done either of those I'd be singing his praises but in this case it was less than ideal. Obviously the KTF coach had prepared his build to deal with Fantasy rushing a vult drop but in this case it wasn't useful.

Meanwhile Fantasy had made an early cc in his main and floated it out covered by 2 tanks and 4 rines before getting a fast pair of armouries. This is the Destination adaption of the FlaSh build and in fact the exact build we saw from FlaSh vs Bisu. Fast 3 base off a low fact count and double grades, held by tank positioning on the cliffs. Tempest tried a break in Fantasy's nat and did a lot of damage before backing off, almost without loss.

However a dropship, some sneaky vults and nice multitasking then played havoc with his mineral lines, raiding his 3rd, his main and his nat simultaneously. In the confusion Tempest carelessly lost his shuttle and reaver which would have been invaluable defensively.

Both players kept on macroing but Tempest was taking damage and not dealing any. Fantasy's vultures just kept getting in while that tank count just grew and grew and the upgrades made their way to 3-3. Like any self respecting terran with 200/200 of tanks and a better economy he wasn't interested in risking an attack, instead choosing to take all the bases on his side and cover them with the lamest defenses he could think of. Tempest tried to get some recall play going and if he had successfully stasised Fantasy's ramp he may have killed the facts and taken the game back. But he didn't. Fantasy cleared up the recall and Tempest was left with less than half the map facing a wall of tanks, out-expanded.
GG. Extremely solid game from Fantasy. Just didn't give Tempest anything to work with. Stayed safe, stayed solid and kept harassing.


And the second against Iris…
Tempest wasn't hanging around. Opening 13 nexus without scouting he did a "We're playing this my way and I don't care what the fuck you do". Not even bothering to play safe he kept pumping probes and got a fast pair of gateways. Iris opened 1 fact cc and scouted him last. The game was as good as over before it even started. Iris's army couldn't deal with the 2 gate goons, there was no way he could damage Tempest early. From that point on Tempest just did his thing. Four gates and fast dark tech, macroing his ass off and just getting further and further ahead. This wasn't Starcraft, this was just rock paper scissors.

+ Show Spoiler [Full Report] +
Tempest wasn't hanging around. Opening 13 nex without scouting he did a "We're playing this my way and I don't care what the fuck you do". Not even bothering to play safe he kept pumping probes and got a fast pair of gateways. Iris opened 1 fact cc and scouted him last. The game was as good as over before it started. A counter-expansion that late, with no time to adapt because Iris scouted the 13 nex so late (3rd scout on a big map) and it just didn’t matter. Iris' army couldn't deal with the 2 gate goons, there was no way he could damage Tempest early and then Tempest just did his thing. 4 gates and fast dark tech, macroing his ass off and just getting further and further ahead. This wasn't Starcraft, this was just rock paper scissors. Tempest's first army was able to pull Iris out of position and although he wasted units the darks arrived and raped. Iris held by the skin of his teeth, the last dark dying as the turret went down but still had to stop mining and abandon his nat for a bit when the next wave hit. By this point Tempest had a 3rd coming, safely walled in and was getting a robo and stargate. Iris tried to get vult play going but Tempest evidently felt he had enough of an advantage and took no risks.

There were a few very nice plays, Iris managing to entrench himself on some bridges and force Tempest to waste a lot of goons to break very small numbers of tanks. And nice vulture sniping of probe maynards. Iris was playing a very nice example of terran aggression. Rather than launch an all out attack he got small groups of vults and tanks and put them in annoying places, forcing Tempest to waste units. I'm writing this as I watch the game (rather than with any hindsight) and I am really fucking impressed by Iris here. I was ready to write him off after the opening builds but he is abusing the fuck out of Tempest with fewer units. Hitting 9 then the probe convoy then 9 again then the nat with vults then 9 again then the nat with tanks. This is total map abuse, on an open map these tiny isolated armies would get killed for almost no losses but on here they're getting far more than their cost. I can see why this map is so T favoured. This is the textbook terrans should copy for this map.

Irish expanded to 8 and Tempest recalled his main. The recall did reasonably well, less damage than Tempest could have hoped for but good for him in terms of game flop and initiative. Then Tempest scouted 8 and after attempting to counter expand himself hit it with a recall. Iris saw the arbiter coming and reacted immediately but Tempest still had time to kill a lot of scvs and the command centre before his army was wiped out. At the same time he hit with a simultaneous recall in Iris's main, doing a good amount of damage with some unfortunately placed mines detonating 3 tanks. Tempest did a good job of disrupting his unit production and getting good cost for his losses. Seconds afterward he hit with another recall, again disrupting Iris. Iris's abuse had ceased while putting out the fires Tempest was lighting all over his base and the battle for map control was opened up again. Iris had been forced to take the 7 nat and doing so stretched his defensive line across a huge front. His army was caught out of position and his tank mass destroyed. Tempest went on to kill Iris's expansion while Iris made another small abuse group and almost killed Tempest's base at 5. While Tempest was dealing with that yet another abuse group of vults hit his main, getting in and mining the gates. But realizing he had run out of mining bases Iris decided to stop postponing the inevitable and typed out.


And finally against Fantasy again...
So, Tempest vs Fantasy again on Carthage, the new 2 player map. Tempest spawned at 5 and sent out his 5th probe to go proxy a 9 supply 9 supply gate build. As in game 1 Fantasy checked his base for proxies but unfortunately didn't check far enough, his scv passing painfully close to the gateways. Without a wall, and with his rax dangerously exposed, there was little Fantasy could do. Tempest microed well, delaying the factory with continual scv snipes and picking off marines when he could. Fantasy attempted a counter all-in with a bunker but he simply didn't have the units and it failed.



MSL contest!
I want to have a bracket contest for the round of 16, but I don’t even own photoshop, let alone know how to use it. So, make me a sweet set of brackets once the final two groups are finished, and we will use it for the contest! I will even give you two extra entries, increasing your odds of winning. PM them to me or post them in this thread. Good luck


Poll of the Week

Kwark bitches a lot about “lame terran defenses”. I think coming from a race that is standardizing two gate proxy builds that his thoughts are hysterically hypocritical.

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Poll: Which is lamer
(Vote): Terran defense a la Fantasy
(Vote): Two gate proxy rushes on Carthage


Next week (well, tomorrow sorry about that) features the highly anticipated Group F, and the final group, Group D, takes place on Saturday.

Group F
(T)firebathero < Carthage > (T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong < Byzantium 2 > (T)Hwasin
Winner < Destination > Winner
Loser < Destination > Loser
Final < Neo Harmony > Final

Group D
(P)free < Destination > (P)Doctor.K
(P)Horang2 < Neo Harmony > (Z)Kwanro
Winner < Carthage > Winner
Loser < Carthage > Loser
Final < Byzantium 2 > Final

Cheers,
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 04 2009 08:56 GMT
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great work guys!
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baubo
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China3370 Posts
February 04 2009 09:31 GMT
#3
It's so hilarious how much of an effect Stork had on the Tempest vs Fantasy match. Fantasy basically scouted Stork's location after watching that game. While Tempest copied Stork's build but proxied elsewhere.

I'm really interested in seeing how terrans respond to this build in the future.
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Vietnam719 Posts
February 04 2009 10:57 GMT
#4
Cant wait for Group F. JD seems to have advantage as he needs to train ZvsT only but in the group of 3 T monsters featuring 3 different playstyles of TvsZ, its gonna be hard for JD
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February 04 2009 11:29 GMT
#5
sheesh such epic writeups i love it
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February 04 2009 12:47 GMT
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Well word-painted Mani. Very enjoyable. I recommend two coats of primer,
(beer will work in a pinch) and sanding between coats.


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Korea (South)4667 Posts
February 04 2009 14:27 GMT
#7
very very entertaining read :D gj all
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USA5860 Posts
February 04 2009 14:30 GMT
#8
Awesome write up :D I found this funny.

Fantasy dominates Tempest in impressive fashion, finishing the game with ghosts to battle arbiters. (That being said, watch Tempest’s absolutely PIMP play in the first 4 minutes. It is unbelievable.)


I read that as a unit at first, like battlecruisers combined with Arbiters haha.
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I am aware its referring to fighting Arbiters, and not a unit called battle arbz, but just the idea of that unit is funny anyway
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Singapore11447 Posts
February 04 2009 15:09 GMT
#9
I think 3rd video's wrong. It's the cheese game :O
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China26351 Posts
February 04 2009 15:12 GMT
#10
vacation!!
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France112 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-04 15:27:25
February 04 2009 15:27 GMT
#11
I think this is not the rigth Tempest VS fantasy VOD

Great write up anyway
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
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February 04 2009 15:58 GMT
#12
On February 05 2009 00:27 Mhugues wrote:
I think this is not the rigth Tempest VS fantasy VOD

Great write up anyway



Yeah the game is the link is the one with proxy gates t.t
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February 04 2009 15:58 GMT
#13
awesome write-up guys
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United States42685 Posts
February 04 2009 15:59 GMT
#14
Although Iris kept sending out small forces against Tempest I think the map favoured them. Whereas on an open map a small force can be overwhelmed and destroyed with ease by the Protoss on Harmony I think Iris got several times cost from all his small forces.
I don't think standard play (making a terran ball and creeping it) was an option after those openings. He was always going to have the smaller army and he had to play to wear his opponent down which those small attacks did.
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10319 Posts
February 04 2009 16:19 GMT
#15
Great write-up, looking forward to a similar experience for the next issue [:
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Slovenia2035 Posts
February 04 2009 16:24 GMT
#16
no point in saying we will see great group F, since there is no stream..
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CA10828 Posts
February 04 2009 17:26 GMT
#17
OMG GROUP F!!
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Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-04 21:10:52
February 04 2009 21:08 GMT
#18
great write up!
can't wait for the next one

lol at the wrong vod link with the caption of ghosts vs arbiters...
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i was watching the proxy and was wondering how on earth can they get to ghost/arbiters in 4 minutes when both sides have ~10 workers


edit: is this a typo?
"All he had to do was lay mines (which Tempest seemed happy to do all game long)..."
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Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 04 2009 21:47 GMT
#19
On February 05 2009 06:08 Not_Computer wrote:
great write up!
can't wait for the next one

lol at the wrong vod link with the caption of ghosts vs arbiters...
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i was watching the proxy and was wondering how on earth can they get to ghost/arbiters in 4 minutes when both sides have ~10 workers


edit: is this a typo?
"All he had to do was lay mines (which Tempest seemed happy to do all game long)..."

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build order for 4 minute ghosts

8 rax
8 gas
9 fact
9 port
9 sci
10 ghost
and you probably still don't make it, but maybe by like 4:59 >.>

Same style of build for arb xD


good writeup, I especially love how in depth the analysis of the games can get.
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Osaka27149 Posts
February 05 2009 00:44 GMT
#20
Balls. Anways, fixed teh VOD, and added Tempest's last game report tot he right place. Also, I meant Tempest was happy to "run into" the mines all game long.
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