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- New KTF MagicNS Head Coach
- Why Bisu in the Ace Match? Analysis by Fomos
- UPDATED: Incruit Starleague
Meet the new face in town
SOURCE: http://www.fomos.co.kr
Coach Kim Chul is no more. On July 28th, Lee Ji Hoon has replaced him as the brand new head coach of KTF after being noted for his exceptional leadership skills and great personality. Many of you probably haven't heard of this guy before, but he has been around the progaming scene for a while. Coach Lee is actually an ex-FIFA Progamer who has won several big FIFA tournaments including Singapore Masters FIFA 2004. Furthermore, KTF is also looking to strengthen its coaching staff by hiring more Strategical Coaches.
"KTF is full of talented players. To truly utilize all these talents, changes must be made," said Coach Lee.
Read on to see what else he has to say + T1 vs OGN Ace Match Analysis:
Q: Feelings on your new position as the KTF Head Coach?
Coach Lee: It was actually a very abrupt and last minute news for me. Therefore, I feel more burdened by responsibility than anything right now. Only thought I have right now is..I must work hard.
Q. Have you found the problem KTF has been having?
Coach Lee: Because KTF has so many big name players, everyone sort of seems to act on his own. When you combine all those star players together, you are bound to lack teamwork and unity. Also, it was difficult for new players to settle in with several players retiring and leaving the team. Last season, YellOw, Reach, and Nal_Ra have did an excellent job holding the team together and KTF performed pretty well. I was able to find more possibilities rather than problems.
Q:You have to hire new strategy coaches.
Coach Lee: I am thinking of hiring someone who's returning from the army. I think someone with that kind of experience is able to focus more on his job. Since Coach Cho (Chojja) is leaving in a year or two we really need a replacement. Ex-progamer would be awesome. It would be hard to find one like that, but I hope we find someone who is passionate and understands the game well.
SOURCE: http://www.fomos.co.kr
Why is the question. Why did Bisu play in the Ace match of the Proleague Finals between SKT1 and OGN Sparkyz? Why not Midas? Fomo gives some insight that might answer your questions. (I am going to change some wordings to sound more dramatic)
1) Why did Bisu play in the ace match?
This is the burning question that everyone has been wondering, myself included. Out of all the players on the SKT1 roster, why did they pick Bisu to play in the ace, especially after he got owned by Chalrenge on Katrina? It wouldn't a big deal if this was determined prior to the match.
But was it really pre-determined? Or was it heat of the moment thing?
"Bisu was planned to play in the ace match all along, regardless of the result of his earlier game," said Coach Park.
So that's that. But another question rises...Why did they pick Bisu to play in the Ace instead of Midas, who had the best season record in the entire team?
2) Why not Midas?
You can probably guess the reason and it actually is pretty simple. The mind game! By sending out BeSt instead of Midas on a Terran friendly map Othello, T1 was hoping to snipe one of OGN's strong Terran line. That would automatically make OGN assume that Midas will be playing in the ace.
"We knew almost certainly that Luxury will OGN's ace, and we wanted to cause some confusion by doing this," said Coach Park.
Going back a little farther, SKT1 narrowed down the ace player list to Bisu, BeSt, and Midas. They chose Bisu in the end because the whole team was aware of his outstanding ability and had faith in him. Especially vs Zerg.
One question remains, what was OGN's prediction for T1's ace?
3) What did OGN think?
Yes, they were confused. Very confused. However, that confusion did not last long. After looking at a T1 lineup that didn't include Midas, OGN immediately determined that a Protoss player was more likely to play in the Ace than a Terran. Coach Lee immediately ordered Luxury to practice primarily vs Protoss, and it worked. They even knew Bisu was the one they would have to face. Why? Well, I mean, it's basically a 50/50 chance since it's either BeSt or Bisu. But they were both in other matches. Hmm..
You see, Colosseum is a map that BeSt has played the most and understands it extremely well. When Coach Lee saw BeSt placed in the second match on Othello, he knew right away that BeSt would FULLY concentrate on sniping a Terran. Almost impossible for him to prepare for both that AND the ace match.
(Note: OGN Terrans have always been infamous for having awful TvPs. Leta was 1-7 or something as well before winning like 3 in a row. Probably the reason that T1 was confident BeSt would pull through on Othello.)
Final Call: In retrospect, it was a bad idea to put BeSt on Othello. It was a map he has played only ONE official PL game before and lost. Consequently, he could not prepare for the ace match on Colosseum, where he is jawdropping 7-0. Still, a very entertaining match and best of luck to OGN in the finals!
OnGameNet Starleague will be going through some changes, including its sponsor.
Ever Starleague no more. Incruit Starleague!
Incruit.com is a well-known employment website based in Korea. On July 29th, the Incruit Starleague qualifiers officially began and is still in the process.
Additionally, there are some format changes as well. Instead of the traditional dual tournament style, there will be a Round of 36. It will consist of 12 players from last Starleague, and 24 new players who have qualified through offline tournaments.
Here's how it works:
1) 36 players - 24 from offline qualifiers + 12 from last Starleague (Unseeded ones)
2) Total of 12 groups will be formed in RO36. 3 In each group - 2 from offline qualifiers and 1 from last Starleague.
3) 2 players from offline qualies face each other in a BO3.
4) Winner of that match plays another BO3 vs the player from last Starleague.
5) Winner moves on to Round of 16, along with 4 seeded players from last Starleague.
New broadcast times as well.
Starting August 4th, games will be played on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. (Korean time)
*From August 18th to August 23rd, matches will be played EVERYDAY.
Seeded players:
STX SouL  July
SK Telecom T1  BeSt
OGN Sparkyz Luxury
Lecaf Oz BackHo
Source:Fomos.Co.Kr
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Go OGN.
I don't know, since Boxer and July left SKT1 I kind of want them to lose it all  ?
Go OGN.
Finals will be so awesome~ :D
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one would ask why midas and luxury weren't even fielded in the first 4 1v1s in the first place :|
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Wow sick man. Im so happy we are bringing this back hahaha!
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Thanks OneOther, welcome to the blue!
I like the analysis article. Do those show up often?
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Yes, they were confused. Very confused. However, that confusion did not last long. After looking at a T1 lineup that didn't include Midas, OGN immediately determined that a Protoss player was more likely to play in the Ace than a Terran.
that's the bit i don't get, did they assume the bluff? seems gutsy
Bisu wasn't a crazy call tho, he's most famous for his PvZ.
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Hmm, thanks for the insight into the SKT vs OGN match...Nice news flash post. I hope KTF does well next season~ x3
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On July 29 2008 09:46 PanoRaMa wrote:
one would ask why midas and luxury weren't even fielded in the first 4 1v1s in the first place :|
I'd guess lux would have been saved so he could practice purely on coliseum, and midas for mind games (& practice partners)
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United States10774 Posts
On July 29 2008 09:48 SonuvBob wrote:
Thanks OneOther, welcome to the blue!
I like the analysis article. Do those show up often?
Thanks!
Yeah there are actually TONS of analysis articles.
There is a nice lengthy analysis/preview of the upcoming Proleague Finals. You know, one of those ...which team has the edge in this and that...what must team A do to win...
I gotta dip for now but I can work on that later :p
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United States10774 Posts
On July 29 2008 09:48 drift0ut wrote:Show nested quote +
Yes, they were confused. Very confused. However, that confusion did not last long. After looking at a T1 lineup that didn't include Midas, OGN immediately determined that a Protoss player was more likely to play in the Ace than a Terran.
that's the bit i don't get, did they assume the bluff? seems gutsy Bisu wasn't a crazy call tho, he's most famous for his PvZ.
Yeah I guess so. Coach Lee said Luxury prepared vs Protoss a lot more than he did vs Terran
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interesting article, thanks for the translation OneOther!
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On July 29 2008 09:51 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2008 09:48 SonuvBob wrote:
Thanks OneOther, welcome to the blue!
I like the analysis article. Do those show up often? Thanks! Yeah there are actually TONS of analysis articles. There is a nice lengthy analysis/preview of the upcoming Proleague Finals. You know, one of those ...which team has the edge in this and that...what must team A do to win... I gotta dip for now but I can work on that later :p
Nice. Don't burn yourself out though.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 29 2008 09:58 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2008 09:51 OneOther wrote:On July 29 2008 09:48 SonuvBob wrote:
Thanks OneOther, welcome to the blue!
I like the analysis article. Do those show up often? Thanks! Yeah there are actually TONS of analysis articles. There is a nice lengthy analysis/preview of the upcoming Proleague Finals. You know, one of those ...which team has the edge in this and that...what must team A do to win... I gotta dip for now but I can work on that later :p Nice. Don't burn yourself out though.
Yeah I am gonna include that in the next flash, since the finals is pretty far away anyways.
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
Very nice article, really enjoyed reading it, thanks! I especially liked the part about the ace match, seems like SKT1 took a gamble and lost.
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thanks for the translations and for picking up the korean news again
i'm sure you'll do a better job than i did
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Wow Ray, a damn good job - keep it up!
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why does the new ktf coach need a frostmourne copy in th ktf house :D ?
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
On July 29 2008 10:34 asel wrote:
why does the new ktf coach need a frostmourne copy in th ktf house :D ?
Psychological warfare of course! Underperform and you lose a limb, life of a pro starcrafter is hard 
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Basically the thesis is that if SKT1 just played straight up, they wouldn't have lost. Lame.
Congrats on your blue status Frozen.
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United States10774 Posts
Oh the article actually says he's played it ONCE and lost on it. I guess they are only counting proleague games. My mistake.
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That answers a lot of questions! Thank you OneOther :D
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Calgary25981 Posts
Oh man this is sick. Thanks man!
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On July 29 2008 10:56 Wasabi wrote:
Well, no one's outright saying that Midas would have won the ace match, it's just that it would have made more sense for him to be the ace.
Well, Frozen's translation says that they basically used Best as an Ace snipe (wtf, you don't need Best to snipe anybody) on Othello and failed. If they used midas (or Canata) versus Leta, a TvP beast would have not been able to take his game. That combined with if they used Best on Katrina (the PvP monster) they would have had the games not go to Ace. Even then, They could have used Bisu against lux and he would have had the benefit of more practice time, plus Midas would have been a threat (OGN basically took one look at the the lineups and said that Lux is playing against a protoss).
Edit: now the KTF coach is probably the worst in the league at starcraft, haha.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 29 2008 11:16 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2008 10:56 Wasabi wrote:
Well, no one's outright saying that Midas would have won the ace match, it's just that it would have made more sense for him to be the ace. Well, Frozen's translation says that they basically used Best as an Ace snipe (wtf, you don't need Best to snipe anybody) on Othello and failed. If they used midas (or Canata) versus Leta, a TvP beast would have not been able to take his game. That combined with if they used Best on Katrina (the PvP monster) they would have had the games not go to Ace. Even then, They could have used Bisu against lux and he would have had the benefit of more practice time, plus Midas would have been a threat (OGN basically took one look at the the lineups and said that Lux is playing against a protoss). Edit: now the KTF coach is probably the worst in the league at starcraft, haha.
Yeah T1 tried to do too much imo. Shoulda just sent Midas on Othello + BeSt on Katrina for PvP.
But then again it was a gamble... just didn't work out very well.
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Ok whatever they said about that mind game confused me. And I thought they pre determine the players playing in each map, do they improv during the pl playoffs?
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United States10774 Posts
On July 29 2008 11:32 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Ok whatever they said about that mind game confused me. And I thought they pre determine the players playing in each map, do they improv during the pl playoffs?
They pre determine + submit players on each map except the ace. Ace match player isn't OFFICIALLY determined, but most teams choose a player beforehand so he can practice...
What are you confused about?
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hee~ hi smee.frozen [:
very nice write up and amazing insight :D
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The frostmourne is going to consume that mans soul...
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reading all the OGN strats make SKT's coach newb.
BUT..
FUCKING GOOD LUCK WITH KTF PLEASE.
If Flash is slumped he is to blame. Need more Nal_ra along with the other 2 Protoss apprentice for loss of Reach.
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Well I must say I'm confused, too. I as a terran player got the feeling that Othello favors terran over protoss in the long run and I mean favors as in unlikely to lose a single game if done correctly. On Othello this imbalance is a combination of several things, terran gets 3 gas pretty easily, can use tankdrops at several quite easily reachable locations, has pretty secure bases because of short distances, can stop counterplay very well because protoss doesn't have much space to attack from the sides. As long as terran is aware of what his opponent is doing he has much better chances in a macro-battle with the newly discovered strengths of terran like EMP and quick 3-3 or 3-2.
Having Midas play on that map would've made so much more sense, it was a horrible decision not to give him that spot. Bisu on Colosseum was alright. I don't see this as a mistake, I just think he was very unfortunate in that game. I even think he was the better choice because he was already kinda warmed up from his first game on that day.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 29 2008 11:56 ForAdun wrote:
Well I must say I'm confused, too. I as a terran player got the feeling that Othello favors terran over protoss in the long run and I mean favors as in unlikely to lose a single game if done correctly. On Othello this imbalance is a combination of several things, terran gets 3 gas pretty easily, can use tankdrops at several quite easily reachable locations, has pretty secure bases because of short distances, can stop counterplay very well because protoss doesn't have much space to attack from the sides. As long as terran is aware of what his opponent is doing he has much better chances in a macro-battle with the newly discovered strengths of terran like EMP and quick 3-3 or 3-2.
Having Midas play on that map would've made so much more sense, it was a horrible decision not to give him that spot. Bisu on Colosseum was alright. I don't see this as a mistake, I just think he was very unfortunate in that game. I even think he was the better choice because he was already kinda warmed up from his first game on that day.
I guess they thought BeSt was good enough to snipe any of OGN's Terrans on a T favored Othello.
Note: OGN Terrans have always been infamous for having awful TvPs. Leta was 1-7 or something as well before winning like 3 in a row.
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Awesome post, and congrats Frozen.
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Cool news
Thanks.
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Wow that is sick, but to be honest. Best would of seemed like the best choice...
for one to give him the confidence back that was ripped apart from his soul by "tushin"
and second just because he has been performing a lot better than Bisu and bisu got crushed by chalrenge ez~
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On July 29 2008 10:34 asel wrote:
why does the new ktf coach need a frostmourne copy in th ktf house :D ?
I dont know if anyone answered this but
thats rA's WWI 2006 trophy, iirc.
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thedeadhaji
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write your college essays!!
<34
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That's what happen if you don't let a zerg play in play-off. Luxury was utilized in the right time, he's the hungriest among them all. OGN should keep it rolling!
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The previous KTF coach needed to be replaced, but by someone who has no SC pro-gaming experience? Great...
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Damn, this just reinforces my belief it should have been Midas on Othello or the ace game. SKT : (
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thanks for translating!!
it looks like SKT messed up big time with their line-up
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Poor SKT1. Better luck next season.
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Thank you very much for this topic
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Nice write up OneOther
Congrats on becoming staff 
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Thanks for the translation, OneOther  .
I still feel sorry for the SKT1 - statistics, lineup, mind games, confusing the other team, but in the end they still lost - why? Mostly because BesT and Bisu were totally off their games  .
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didn't know chojja was a coach of KTF! glad he's still involved in one way or another!
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Thanks for the translation, really appreaciated.
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The title of this thread is so awesome. NEWS FLASH, get it? oh god that's awesome.
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am i the only one who realizes theres a friggin claymore in the background.
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On July 29 2008 21:40 dinmsab wrote:
am i the only one who realizes theres a friggin claymore in the background.
Looks more like a Bastard Sword to me. Or I'm just on a Diablo trip.
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cute pink tie
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
t1 is really brilliant. good job
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wait..is the next round the finals? OGN vs Samsung Khan?
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On July 30 2008 01:16 letsbefree wrote:
wait..is the next round the finals? OGN vs Samsung Khan?
Yes, the next round are the finals - August 9th .
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GJ Frozen.
Youuuu cutie pie lil guy.
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Korean News: Flash is back!
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Does this mean I will not see Hery playing the ACE match for KTF anymore?
Oh how sad.
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On July 30 2008 01:57 xBTx wrote:
Korean News: Flash is back!
lol, that's what i first thought when i read the headline for this article :D
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obviously not best. because skt1 knows that if they send out best, luxury is going to beat him. i mean u would rather put best than bisu for a pvz match? thers nothning to be sad about. luxury played great and bisu too.
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On July 30 2008 07:34 jinnyjinn wrote:
obviously not best. because skt1 knows that if they send out best, luxury is going to beat him. i mean u would rather put best than bisu for a pvz match? thers nothning to be sad about. luxury played great and bisu too.
Best did beat him in osl semis lol
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I wanted Bisu and SKT to go to the finals, but I also felt like Luxury was too good right now for the current Bisu. Even the last PvZs he won in PL, it was not like he was dominating. Actually I think he got sort of "lucky" in those games.
Anyways, I, like almost everyone here, was surprised at the fact that Bisu came out as the ace, but had Bisu won Lux, everyone would be like: omg what a genius move! Now we have the finals left. I think it is going to be a lot closer than most people think.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
cool article
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Nice insight to SKT1's coaching decisions. Too bad everything back fired To summarise...
(Advantage)
The sole advantage of their line-up was supposed to be element of surprise for the ace match (Bisu instead of Midas), but somehow OGN figured it out and had Lux practice mostly ZvP.
(Disadvantages)
1. Colosseum favors ZvP.
2. Othello favors TvP slightly; BeSt haven't played much on it.
3. Can't use BeSt for PvP on Katrina.
4. Bisu has to practice two maps/matchups.
So basically, SKT1's risky strategy put themselves at disadvantage on 2 maps, both of which they lost during the actual match. They also failed to use BeSt in his best matchup. If they won just one of those maps arrrrgh. I think Chalrenge's build would have worked against BeSt also (unless of course BeSt got lucky and was able to scout it).
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On July 30 2008 09:46 paper wrote:wat
Nice sword in the background.
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I keep reading this as korean news: Flash is back
I know this is a lame post, but its bothering me
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On July 30 2008 12:26 fusionsdf wrote:I keep reading this as korean news: Flash is back I know this is a lame post, but its bothering me
Lol. Maybe the rest of the world will catch on and name their country at the beginning of all headlines.
I probably should add that this was a beautiful read, and I appreciate the work OneOther.
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no jaedong
no savior
no fun
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Did Han beat Jaedong? Is Jaedong out?
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United States12607 Posts
On July 30 2008 12:26 fusionsdf wrote:I keep reading this as korean news: Flash is back I know this is a lame post, but its bothering me
I read the exact same thing. 
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United States10774 Posts
On July 30 2008 15:54 Devolved wrote:
Did Han beat Jaedong? Is Jaedong out?
Yeah Jaedong is out. han>JD
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edit: Complete ro36 list
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and unrelated to that:
This new system is garbage imo. For one it removes the purpose of a 3rd place match which used to be for a seed for the osl, so now that gets blown off. this also caters way to much to people that got nocked out of the last starleague.
3) 2 players from offline qualies face each other in a BO3.
4) Winner of that match plays another BO3 vs the player from last Starleague.
5) Winner moves on to Round of 16, along with 4 seeded players from last Starleague.
This gives those who have been nocked out a big advantage. Win 1 bo3, and they are in OSL, and if this system stays they can lose immediatley in the OSL and then only have to win a bo3 a few months down the road to get back in.
I guess im a fan of the ODT and how elaborately set up it was.
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In the ODT they had to win the same number of games
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I dont really like the way this OSL is structured....
IMO the ODT groups of 4 were a lot better than this setup. Also as mentioned, the seeded player has a huge advantage with only 1 Bo3 to win.
Btw oshibori_probe, what do you mean by:
On July 31 2008 04:05 oshibori_probe wrote:
This gives those who have been nocked out a big advantage. Win 1 bo3, and they are in OSL, and if this system stays they can lose immediatley in the OSL and then only have to win a bo3 a few months down the road to get back in.
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I mean that someone can qualify for the osl, lose in the first round, and only have to win a bo3 to qualify for the next osl.
Its not so much that its 1 bo3 to qualify that really digs at me, its that people coming from the ultra competitive qualifiers have to win 2, and the player that lost in the last osl gains some advantage of being able to speculate as to who he will play.
3 player round-robin style groups would make it alot better imo.
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wow the new ktf coach seriuously needs a nose job. he would get a nose job when he get more money lol
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United States10774 Posts
Oshi: Thanks of the players list.
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I'd just like to say I want that sword it's pretty badass
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arghh, i totally read this news title as:
Korean News! Flash is back!
and i was like, wtf, when did he leave!?
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United States10774 Posts
Lol I guess people like to put a ! or : between News and Flash
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On July 31 2008 04:05 oshibori_probe wrote:edit: Complete ro36 list + Show Spoiler +and unrelated to that: This new system is garbage imo. For one it removes the purpose of a 3rd place match which used to be for a seed for the osl, so now that gets blown off. this also caters way to much to people that got nocked out of the last starleague. 3) 2 players from offline qualies face each other in a BO3. 4) Winner of that match plays another BO3 vs the player from last Starleague. 5) Winner moves on to Round of 16, along with 4 seeded players from last Starleague. This gives those who have been nocked out a big advantage. Win 1 bo3, and they are in OSL, and if this system stays they can lose immediatley in the OSL and then only have to win a bo3 a few months down the road to get back in. I guess im a fan of the ODT and how elaborately set up it was.
While i agree that the change was garbage, i disagree with your rationale
under the ODT system;
group of 4 (double elim bo1 bracket) 4->2
under this system
group of 3 (single elim bo3) 3 -> 1
There's less wriggle room under this system and more chance of a stacked group.. you could get say flash jaedong boxer in a group and only have one of the three advance. In ODT you would have an extra person and two of the 4 would advance. That's the fundamental problem imo. It creates more restricted groups
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