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Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-12 01:52:55
May 12 2008 01:40 GMT
#1021
oh give me a break with the whole p imbalance bullshit. These are the same maps being used in the pro leagues.

The Protoss players have finally caught up with the rest of the world in terms of mastering many facets of the game and matchups.

They both played spectacular.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
May 12 2008 01:43 GMT
#1022
On May 12 2008 10:40 Showtime! wrote:
oh gibe me a break with the whole p imbalance bullshit. These are the same maps being used in the pro leagues.
They both played spectacular.


exactly, no need to say anything more
cba
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia94 Posts
May 12 2008 01:44 GMT
#1023
wow, mondi was favourite, but i didnt expect the liquidbets to go in his favour that much. im one of the 47, and it was actually a perfectly conscious decision. dreiven really impressed me during the tl.attack, and the skill gap between mondi and the other foreigns aren't THAT big. the map pool looked pretty nice for dreiven, so i though, why not?
fbi
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany19 Posts
May 12 2008 01:44 GMT
#1024
hm by the way, have the MYM players some deal with the TSL??? i mean White-Ra > IdrA, DinOt > rondo, Dreiven > Mondragon :D
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-12 01:47:04
May 12 2008 01:44 GMT
#1025
On May 12 2008 10:39 B1nary wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2008 10:34 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Too many Protoss again.


Better too many P than too many Z or T. I'd say PvP is the most interesting mirror match up. I mean... would you rather have BO3 sets that take 2 hours or 20 minutes over some good PvP?


How about a balance of races, which would happen if protoss wasn't the easiest race for foreigners by large and if you dispute this, just look at the original TSL pool and the current bracket.

Edit: And by your logic, which I assume is shorter = better, wouldn't ZvZ be better than PvP?
Pulp can move, baby!
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-12 01:49:19
May 12 2008 01:48 GMT
#1026
On May 12 2008 10:40 Showtime! wrote:
oh gibe me a break with the whole p imbalance bullshit. These are the same maps being used in the pro leagues.
The fact that a map is being used in the professional leagues is by no means whatsoever a proof for it being balanced. There have been plenty of not so well to really badly balanced maps.
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Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-12 01:57:00
May 12 2008 01:55 GMT
#1027
we're well aware of that, but they're usually replaced mid-season. you tell me carnac how you think p favors z more on those maps we just saw. There is a lot of room for changing your strat on the fly.

What we just saw was pvz to perfection. I think the Koreans would be quite satisfied with how those two games played out.

Protoss has always been foreigner's strong suit. It is undeniable. These maps are solid. For those players who missed the boat, try again next season as I'm sure we'll get dif. maps again that are pretty well balanced.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36387 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-12 01:59:06
May 12 2008 01:56 GMT
#1028
2 Z's, 1 T, and 5 P's in the quarterfinals

(originally 8 P's, 3 Z's, 3 T's, and 2 R's)

if just one of the P>Z or P>T matches swung the other way, it'd be completely normal race makeup (4-2-2) in the Ro8 given the distribution of the players in the Ro16

But yeah, if you don't want PvP semifinals, cheer for those Z's and T's

edit: Yes, Wuthering may be hard for ZvP, but Zodiac and Blue Storm aren't easy for PvZ and Othello's stats haven't really been proven yet. Using new maps is a calculated risk by the league. There is a chance they are bad for a particular matchup, but would everyone still enjoy watching Python and Longinus?
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Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 12 2008 01:58 GMT
#1029
couldn't have said it better hot_bid

hopefully next week we get some more great matches that are equal to the caliber of tonight's.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 12 2008 01:58 GMT
#1030
On May 12 2008 10:56 Hot_Bid wrote:


But yeah, if you don't want PvP semifinals, cheer for those Z's and T's

ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
May 12 2008 01:59 GMT
#1031
the final game was just pimp ! I mean omg, Mondi played extremely well harassing from all directions with those annoying lurker cliffdrops and massive drops into the main, still Dreiven managed to deflect them all somehow and those stroms.... just WOW
I feel kinda sorry for Mondragon, I really don't know what more he could do to win, everything seemed just so goooooodd, too bad one of these two had to go down, this match would make a great final
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
diehilde1
Profile Joined September 2006
Germany522 Posts
May 12 2008 01:59 GMT
#1032
lets face it, brat_ok is not gonna beat the monster u saw playing mondi today and nony is not exactly KR im afraid °_° and i dont think dinot is the favourite against JF either..
i will be cheering for the non-ps but i dont see it happening sadly 8[
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
May 12 2008 02:00 GMT
#1033
VODS PLease Im begging you!
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 12 2008 02:03 GMT
#1034
On May 12 2008 10:59 khersai wrote:
the final game was just pimp ! I mean omg, Mondi played extremely well harassing from all directions with those annoying lurker cliffdrops and massive drops into the main, still Dreiven managed to deflect them all somehow and those stroms.... just WOW
I feel kinda sorry for Mondragon, I really don't know what more he could do to win, everything seemed just so goooooodd, too bad one of these two had to go down, this match would make a great final

he simply missed the hidden expo

he didnt even notice the probes sliding past his two lurkers on their way to the expansion during the game, he only saw it on the stream (told me so), that probably cost him the game.

but yeah, dreiven played really really well
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ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
May 12 2008 02:05 GMT
#1035
On May 12 2008 10:59 diehilde wrote:
lets face it, brat_ok is not gonna beat the monster u saw playing mondi today and nony is not exactly KR im afraid °_° and i dont think dinot is the favourite against JF either..
i will be cheering for the non-ps but i dont see it happening sadly 8[


Of all the terrans I've seen, and I've seen every game this tournament, Brat_OK's TvP has impressed me more than Strelok or Idra within this tournament. He has a keen game sense and understanding for that matchup. He beat Nony 2-1 in pretty convincing fashion. I think he has a decent chance against Dreiven.
Pulp can move, baby!
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
May 12 2008 02:06 GMT
#1036
the game was magnificent, it should be final or semis though, or de brackets
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-12 02:18:44
May 12 2008 02:10 GMT
#1037
from what I have seen and heard Brat's tvz is not his best (looked like that today as well) but can showcase a mean tvp at times

I'm definitely rooting for the non-p's to get through the next round so we can enjoy some variety.
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diehilde1
Profile Joined September 2006
Germany522 Posts
May 12 2008 02:10 GMT
#1038
On May 12 2008 11:05 ahole-surprise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2008 10:59 diehilde wrote:
lets face it, brat_ok is not gonna beat the monster u saw playing mondi today and nony is not exactly KR im afraid °_° and i dont think dinot is the favourite against JF either..
i will be cheering for the non-ps but i dont see it happening sadly 8[


Of all the terrans I've seen, and I've seen every game this tournament, Brat_OK's TvP has impressed me more than Strelok or Idra within this tournament. He has a keen game sense and understanding for that matchup. He beat Nony 2-1 in pretty convincing fashion. I think he has a decent chance against Dreiven.

Well I could say he only beat Nony 2-1, who was described in TSL as "Strong PvP and PvZ, relatively weak PvT". Im a lil exaggerating but I think u get the point.
fbi
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany19 Posts
May 12 2008 02:16 GMT
#1039
On May 12 2008 11:05 ahole-surprise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2008 10:59 diehilde wrote:
lets face it, brat_ok is not gonna beat the monster u saw playing mondi today and nony is not exactly KR im afraid °_° and i dont think dinot is the favourite against JF either..
i will be cheering for the non-ps but i dont see it happening sadly 8[


Of all the terrans I've seen, and I've seen every game this tournament, Brat_OK's TvP has impressed me more than Strelok or Idra within this tournament. He has a keen game sense and understanding for that matchup. He beat Nony 2-1 in pretty convincing fashion. I think he has a decent chance against Dreiven.


u are so damn right !!
t0t
Profile Joined May 2008
6 Posts
May 12 2008 02:19 GMT
#1040
On May 12 2008 10:55 Showtime! wrote:
we're well aware of that, but they're usually replaced mid-season. you tell me carnac how you think p favors z more on those maps we just saw. There is a lot of room for changing your strat on the fly.

What we just saw was pvz to perfection. I think the Koreans would be quite satisfied with how those two games played out.

Protoss has always been foreigner's strong suit. It is undeniable. These maps are solid. For those players who missed the boat, try again next season as I'm sure we'll get dif. maps again that are pretty well balanced.


Koreans probably won't be since we are at similar levels as korean amateur semi pros ;p but anyways im impressed at how good we are regardless
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